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 Post subject: Outdrive lift piston
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:34 pm 
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I have an outdrive lift piston (2000-2001 Volvo Penta 5.7 motor) leaking oil. Most likely it needs replacement. Can anyone recommend a 'replacement part' website for such a part? Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Outdrive lift piston
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:33 pm 
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Just rebuilt one (port) of mine and replaced (starboard) the other. My drive ram was pitted. Rebuild kit was $140 (for both) on eBay. New trim ram was $525 from the VP Parts Shop. If the ram isn't pitted, rebuild is the way to go!

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 Post subject: Re: Outdrive lift piston
PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:36 pm 
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I rebuilt one of mine last year by buying OMC seal kit # 985060 ($29.95), and a spanner wrench off of Amazon to get the end cap off.

It was very easy to do. I cant believe people pay $250+ for this!

Also, the guy on ebay claims he sells superior seals. How you'd prove that beyond his word, I dont know. I went with the OMC seal kit for $29.99. The originals lasted 16 years so if I get another 16 years out of the OMC seals, Im happy.

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 Post subject: Re: Outdrive lift piston
PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:30 pm 
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Not sure what you read, but I didn't spend $250. Unfortunately, I couldn't find OEM (or Volvo) replacement/rebuild kit for my outdrive. I am happy you found yours as inexpensive as you did.

Good luck, and like was mentioned, rebuilding was fairly easy.

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 Post subject: Re: Outdrive lift piston
PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:02 am 
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That $250 price, is that to replace or repair?
A few years ago I was able to pick up a pair of Cobra trim cylinders that came off a boat that was being repowered with a Merc system, they looked like new, and new ones are not available for Cobras any more. The Volvo SX ones and the Cobra ones look very similar but are not identical.

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 Post subject: Re: Outdrive lift piston
PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:56 pm 
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taz42169 wrote:
Not sure what you read, but I didn't spend $250. Unfortunately, I couldn't find OEM (or Volvo) replacement/rebuild kit for my outdrive. I am happy you found yours as inexpensive as you did.

Good luck, and like was mentioned, rebuilding was fairly easy.


I didnt read anywhere that you spent $250 nor did I mean to insinuate that you had.

However, in my area (Lake St. Clair, Michigan) when I called around last year to get quotes from local marine mechanics, $250 PER RAM was the going rate... That's insane to me! :shock:

I didnt infer from anything you wrote that you paid $250 for the repair; I was simply stating that I cannot believe people (in general - nobody in this thread) pay that much when its so easy to do.


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That $250 price, is that to replace or repair?
A few years ago I was able to pick up a pair of Cobra trim cylinders that came off a boat that was being repowered with a Merc system, they looked like new, and new ones are not available for Cobras any more. The Volvo SX ones and the Cobra ones look very similar but are not identical.


Repair. Or I was offered to buy a new one from the marina for almost $400.

Im a 100% DIY guy. If theres a will, theres a way with me :mrgreen:
$30 for the seal kit, another $20 something for the spanner wrench and it took me all of 2 hours from being to finish.

Now I have the spanner wrench in case I need it again.

Carry on.

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 Post subject: Re: Outdrive lift piston
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:35 pm 
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taz42169 wrote:
Just rebuilt one (port) of mine and replaced (starboard) the other. My drive ram was pitted. Rebuild kit was $140 (for both) on eBay. New trim ram was $525 from the VP Parts Shop. If the ram isn't pitted, rebuild is the way to go!


I one of my trim cylinders is leaking and I am debating rebuild or replace but I am wondering what exactly do mean when you say the drive ram was pitted?

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 Post subject: Re: Outdrive lift piston
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:43 am 
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The smooth piston that fits inside the cylinder. It wasn't smooth and when I ran my hand along it, I could feel little "holes" or "pits" when it needs to be completely smooth.

The pits made it impossible to keep the cylinder sealed.

Does that make sense?

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 Post subject: Re: Outdrive lift piston
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:26 am 
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It's just o-rings. Any shop that works on hydraulic cylinders for construction equipment will have them handy. Bring the ram to em, cost under $20.

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 Post subject: Re: Outdrive lift piston
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:52 am 
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taz42169 wrote:
The smooth piston that fits inside the cylinder. It wasn't smooth and when I ran my hand along it, I could feel little "holes" or "pits" when it needs to be completely smooth.

The pits made it impossible to keep the cylinder sealed.

Does that make sense?


Yes it does, thanks!

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 Post subject: Re: Outdrive lift piston
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:00 pm 
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Im rebuilding one of my rams right now. I bring the actual stainless steel rod to a local hydraulic repair shop and for $20 they clean it up really nice for me and get the "knuckle" off the end so I can slip new seals on.

Its a VERY easy repair (to rebuild the ram) and sure the heck beats bringing it to a marine mechanic and/or buying a brand new ram!!

$30 for the seal kit + $20 to clean up the piston. 15 minutes to actually disassemble/rebuild/re-assemble. Its a repair I actually dont mind doing. OH, dont forget to put anti-seize on the knuckle threads. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Outdrive lift piston
PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:13 pm 
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Technologic80 wrote:
Im rebuilding one of my yu rams right now. I bring the actual stainle rod to a local hydraulic repair shop and for $20 they clean it up really nice for me and get the "knuckle" off the end so I can slip new seals on.

Its a VERY easy repair (to rebuild the ram) and sure the heck beats bringing it to a marine mechanic and/or buying a brand new ram!!

$30 for the seal kit + $20 to clean up the piston. 15 minutes to actually disassemble/rebuild/re-assemble. Its a repair I actually dont mind doing. OH, dont forget to put anti-seize on the knuckle threads. :wink:


This may be a stupid question but...where did you order the rebuilt kit from. I left my boat at the shop yesterday. The shop also spoke of rebuilding due to the $400 cost for the leaky ram.


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 Post subject: Re: Outdrive lift piston
PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:10 pm 
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jntwlsn wrote:
This may be a stupid question but...where did you order the rebuilt kit from. I left my boat at the shop yesterday. The shop also spoke of rebuilding due to the $400 cost for the leaky ram.


And thats exactly what I was talking about, if you scroll up to the top.... Insane for them to charge that much IMO. Thats what they charge around me too. :evil:

If you google the part number (in my case 985060), you can select from various resellers. I dont remember what I paid last time, but I wouldnt spend any more than $35 for the seal kit. You dont even use all the seals, really only 3-4 of them. The rest you toss out (Its a kit made for a few types of rams so they just give all possible seal combinations).

Let me know if you need to know anything else - I even have a spare spanner wrench I'd sell ya for cheap if you want to DIY.

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