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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:16 am 
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I'm on my third pair of sundeck hinges, first set broke and fell on someone. I saw on with a small crack this time and got it fixed before it snapped. Four Winns is telling me this is the last set under warranty. They say its me doing something wrong. How can you open the lid wrong???? They say they are not having this problem anywhere else. They measured my bolts to make sure everything was in-line. What am I doing??? Or has anyone else had this problem? I'm to the point of just having a set machined out of SS and throw the CHEAP factory crap away.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:28 pm 
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Have you had a dealer look at it? (Or, are they the ones saying it's your fault?) Are these a special shape or size, where you couldn't replace them with a heavy SS stock hinge from Overton's, etc.?

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230 Mike wrote:
Have you had a dealer look at it? (Or, are they the ones saying it's your fault?) Are these a special shape or size, where you couldn't replace them with a heavy SS stock hinge from Overton's, etc.?


The dealer is the one replacing them. Its not something you could buy off a shelf.


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Does it appear that the hinges will have more stress on them when open, or closed?

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The way they are tearing I dont see how they have any stress. They are tearing where the 90 is. I will get some pics up tonight when I get home.


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OK here they are. You have four that act as a pivot for the sundeck. The red line are where they break first they start to tear along the blue line then they just snap.


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Is it only one side that breaks?

Was it the same side both times?


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Is it only one side that breaks?

Was it the same side both times?


Same side both times


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I don't have that seating arrangement, so I'm probably speaking out of turn. But it looks like the weight (when people are sitting there) is on the opposite side from where the hinges are? If so, it looks to me like the weight on that opposite side is pulling up on the hinges, enough to stress them. What's odd is that I'd think the fiberglass would show the stress before the hinges would.

Does anything support that weight under the opposite side of the cushion, or is the whole load supported by that pivot point in the hinges?

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The force is not pulling it up. I can see where it might look like that. Its pulling it left to right.


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Ok, I'll take another shot then. When they replace the hinges, are they only replacing the sides that attach to the fiberglass, both halves on just that side, or both halves on both sides? I'm wondering if the two hinges might not be exactly parallel to each other, so that as the cushion is raised and lowered, it's binding and pulling sideways on that half that keeps breaking. If this is the case and they just replace the broken piece without making sure both hinges are aligned, that piece will continue to break as many times as they care to replace it.

Said another way - if you take the two halves of a knife hinge (essentially what these are), and put them flush up against each other the way they're supposed to be, they'll pivot against each other smoothly. But if you move one of the halves to a slight angle to the other half, one of those halves will bind and pull - hard - each time the hinge is operated. Since there's a lever action at work, the stress could be much worse than how it feels. To you it may just make the cushion feel slightly heavier than it really is.

I would raise the cushion, and use a tape measure to *carefully* measure the distance between the hinges at the front and at the rear, first on the fiberglass side and then the same on the cushion side. What you're trying to find here is a possible binding in that hinge as the cushion is raised and lowered. If the hinges aren't straight and parallel to each other, hopefully you can just loosen some screws and have enough "wiggle room" to make them parallel and then re-tighten. If this isn't the case you may have to convince your dealer of what the problem is and talk them into doing a little more work.

This theory would easily explain the crack's pattern, AND why the metal is fatiguing rather than the fiberglass (it's a shear force on the 'glass, and not a tension force like my first theory suggested; if that much tension were repeatedly exerted on the 'glass, the screws probably would have broken completely out by now).

Man, it's hard to type and gesture wildly at the same time. :?

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230 Mike wrote:
Man, it's hard to type and gesture wildly at the same time. :?


Mike, That's pretty funny! I can just picture it! :lol:

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230 Mike wrote:
Man, it's hard to type and gesture wildly at the same time. :?


Mike, That's pretty funny! I can just picture it! :lol:



Mike has always had a way with "words" HAHA :lol:

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Hey now, I represent those remarks :lol:

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