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 Post subject: I hate crab pots
PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:58 pm 
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So we're coming back from Dobbins Island last Sunday and were about to round Sandy Point. I note there's a field of crab pots in the distance and plan to skirt around them. Then all of the sudden there's a thump! then a wubba-wubba-wubba-BANG-BANG-BANG! noise coming from below. Followed by various obscenities about crab pots. I keep a sharp lookout and didn't see it. I'm guessing it was an old ghost trap with it's float just below the surface. Nothing came to the surface after the incident.

I immediately put the engines in neutral. A check of the engine compartment showed no damage or water coming in, thankfully. I put the engines individually into reverse and the noise continued. For the starboard side it stopped after a bit of brief forward/reverse pulses. No such luck for the port side, the vibration and banging noise continued. It was clear there was not only some line but part of the trap must also have been pulled up into the port prop. We limped back to our marina on just the starboard engine, leaving the port in neutral. It was slow going as one engine will not get the boat up on plane. I was constantly looking back toward the main bilge pump through hull, hoping not to see water being pumped out. And none was.

I had visions of horrible docking hassles trying to get back into the marina on only one engine. Fortunately whatever was tangled in the port prop managed to partially work itself loose! You cannot imagine how relieved I was. I had enough use of the port engine to get back into the slip without trouble. There was still some vibration, but less than before and without the unnerving BANGING noises.

Here's why:
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The surprise was seeing that the lines has gotten tangled on BOTH shafts. Bad enough to have worked both zincs loose. The bearings were pulled down the shafts into the strut cutlass bearings, wrecking them. Apparently the line worked itself off the starboard shaft but another remained tangled on the port side, as pictured. So now the props are out getting fixed and new bearings are being delivered. With luck that'll be the extent of the damage. I have one set of the zincs (no pix yet) and about a full 1/2" was ground right off the end of it, leaving a sliver of a collar where it slid under the cutlass bearing.

Since I wanted to avoid trying to go any big distances (rightly so having seen the zincs burrowed into the bearings) they had me take the boat to the ramp at the Matapeake state park; a straight shot across the Bay from our marina. I wanted to avoid going any further than necessary, not knowing what was actually wrong. Had I tried to go all the way around Kent Island it might have further wrecked the cutlass bearings and possibly caused a loss of the shafts.

As a side note, I had made several calls to two different divers and neither returned my calls. Must be nice to be so busy you can't even return calls. But given the state of the zincs and bearings it might've been inevitable to get it pulled. I'll have to wait and see how bad the bearings are. But I'll probably file an insurance claim on it. Still, the cost difference between having a diver do the work versus pulling it out is around $500. Anyway, just a side rant.

I took it across the Bay and actually managed to get it up on plane for a bit. The vibration was mostly only at low RPMs. Once I got to the ramp they brought over a hydraulically adjustable U-shaped trailer and had me maneuver onto it. To get it up the last 3 feet I had to give it a fair bit of throttle. It was a bit unnerving, especially with the guy's head just ahead of the anchor. But it loaded fine and luckily nobody else showed up needing to using the ramp. Here's the 348 on the trailer:
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We drove a couple of miles (on the interstate) to their shop.
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With any luck it'll be just the props, bearings and zincs. Shafts seem fine but it'll take getting it all back together to be certain. Hopefully we'll only end up losing just THIS weekend.

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 Post subject: Re: I hate crab pots
PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:04 pm 
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That stinks ...

And, in a similar way ....

I hate LOBSTER pots !!

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 Post subject: Re: I hate crab pots
PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:06 pm 
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Additionally, I was shocked to see the amount of growth on the trim tabs:
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That's a good quarter inch thick of growth. This after only a month in the water!

Others in the marina have commented about horrendous growth in their sea strainers. I took a quick look externally at mine and they did look a bit nastier that you'd expect. After seeing the tabs I'm sure the strainers are a mess too. Don't know why it's so bad this year.

You can't tell from the pictures here but I'm troubled by how much the zincs were corroded. Quite a lot for just a month's time in the water. I'm not looking forward to figuring out what THAT'S happening. One... more... thing... ugh.

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 Post subject: Re: I hate crab pots
PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:21 pm 
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I feel for you, but I love Maryland crabcakes. Yum Yum

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 Post subject: Re: I hate crab pots
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:20 am 
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wkearney99 wrote:
With any luck it'll be just the props, bearings and zincs. Shafts seem fine but it'll take getting it all back together to be certain. Hopefully we'll only end up losing just THIS weekend.


If we had crab pots in Texas lakes, it might fix the problem of the '80 mph cigarette boats' and the idiots driving them. Turds.

Craig C.

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 Post subject: Re: I hate crab pots
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:34 am 
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Yeah, I was up on the Bay for the first time in 15 years a couple weeks ago a little further north of you. Between the boat traffic, blow boats and crab pots, it's not much fun.

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 Post subject: Re: I hate crab pots
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:12 pm 
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Bill, I feel for ya! It's tough enough to navigate during the day with those pots, nighttime is even more tricky. I can't believe you had to limp the boat across the bay. Your marina doesn't have provisions to pull your boat huh? I've been fortunate so far but it will be my time sooner or later. I do love those crabs though...


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 Post subject: Re: I hate crab pots
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:08 pm 
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I feel for you Bill. I hit one last year on the Potomac trying to avoid a thunderstorm. I was at low speed at the time, though and backed down as soon as I hit it. After a few of those ominous thumps, I dropped anchor and just went over the side myself and cut it loose. That's probably not an option on the bay as the jelly fish would have a field day before you were finished.

One thing you might want to look at if you've suffered any damage to the props is the shafts themselves. Two seasons ago, I hit some "gravel" where there wasn't supposed to be any in Wades Bay. I went down to take a look and the edges of the props were curled slightly, but would need work. We got back to the marina with some vibration, but when I was backing into the slip I "lost" power on the starboard engine. Thinking the prop had fallen off right in front of the slip, I bought a new prop and later, after having the boat pulled, found that the shaft had sheared right at the beginning of the keyway.

While waiting for the new shaft to arrive, we also discovered that the strut on that side was bent. The starboard engine has always burned more gas than the port one and we thought that this was one of the reasons (friction on the shaft) as this mishap just wasn't strong enough to bend the a strut.

My point is that inspect everything carefully as strange things start to happen when stuff like this happens.

As a side note: the mechanic at Potomac Marine had a scuba class later that month and sent the kids down looking for my prop. They found it...but not until I had bought a new prop, so in addition to the props on the boat and a set of spares, I have a brand new starboard prop (and strut) for a 378 Vista. If anyone needs one, let me know and I'll make you a great deal on it as the factory wouldn't take it back.

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 Post subject: Re: I hate crab pots
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:24 pm 
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Bill, that stinks, luckly I have bumped them but never "knocking on wood" wrapped one up. Last weekend there was a clean up here were all pots had to be pulled for the remander of the month. That left just the lost pots which were pulled and trashed. Clean sailing for a little while any way.

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 Post subject: Re: I hate crab pots
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:46 am 
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Damn it all, just got word that the port shaft is bent. They'll send it out today to see if it can be straightened or not. If it can it'll be back by Friday, if not then it'll require a whole new shaft. I'm less than pleased about how this impacts our boating schedule...

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 Post subject: Re: I hate crab pots
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:24 pm 
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:shock: Man oh man that sucks. I can no longer bitch about my uw lights not working.


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 Post subject: Re: I hate crab pots
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:56 pm 
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Nor can I about my goofy electrical issues. Keep a stiff upper lip, Bill.

aside to mariner: we have the same situation with the stbd engine consuming more fuel. very weird!

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 Post subject: Re: I hate crab pots
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:10 pm 
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mkivbren wrote:
:shock: Man oh man that sucks. I can no longer bitch about my uw lights not working.

If you look at the picture above there's my underwater light mounted to the trim tab. You can barely make it out due to the crud growing all over it. That in just a month, I was shocked. I did get some pix of it but have yet to unload them from the camera.

As for unbalanced engine consumption, my starboard tank has been running lower than the port side, even with the genset coming from port. I checked my fuel manifold valves and they're drawing appropriately. I didn't watch the fuel flow meters to see if there was a significant difference or not, but will next time we're out. I'm on the original plugs, and impeller for that matter, and have been meaning to get around to changing both things.

My wife and I have a saying lately "Oh great, one... more... thing."

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 Post subject: Re: I hate crab pots
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wkearney99 wrote:
My wife and I have a saying lately "Oh great, one... more... thing."


I thought this saying was common on all boats including mine.

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 Post subject: Re: I hate crab pots
PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:19 am 
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mkivbren wrote:
Bill, I feel for ya! It's tough enough to navigate during the day with those pots, nighttime is even more tricky. I can't believe you had to limp the boat across the bay. Your marina doesn't have provisions to pull your boat huh? I've been fortunate so far but it will be my time sooner or later. I do love those crabs though...


Yes, the crabs are tasty. Although we haven't yet had any this season.

I take great care to avoid any visible pots, this one wasn't. It must've had a waterlogged float or something that was lurking just below the surface. There's no way to avoid pots entirely. It sometimes helps to stick to waters more than 10' deep. But that's not always possible given the overall shallow nature of the Chesapeake. You're still at risk of debris out there too. Deadhead pilings and the occasional 55 gallon drum, to say nothing of larger tree limbs with a full fan of branches. A friend caught what he thought was just a big branch until he pulled up on it and found quite a large bit of the tree still on attached. But fortunately most of that debris only shows up after long stretches of rain and we've not had much of that thus far.

Our marina has no lift nor ramp. I don't think many of the nicer marinas (aka ones the admiral likes) in walking distance to downtown Annapolis have them. Since there's a chance it would've required work on the engines/transmissions it was best done at a factory authorized shop (both Crusader and ZF). The FW dealer is a good hour and a half away up the Chesapeake. That would've be an even longer trip. That and while they've made changes in their service department I really didn't want to run the risk of a repeat disaster. None of the shops around the point on Spa or Back Creek were factory authorized. The work isn't rocket science but when dealing with warranties I like to dot all the I's, if you know what I mean. The straight shot across the Bay was probably only about a mile or two added distance. My alternative would have been to get it towed. That would've been covered by insurance (as will the rest of the work) but would've been a hassle to coordinate and probably a lot more stressful.

So now I'm just waiting to hear back whether the shaft can be straightened or not.

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