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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 7:17 pm 
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Hey friends,


My boat is now 8 years old with 110 hours on it.......the starter started recently acting up so I set about replacing it......the only access I could get to the starter required removing the manifold/riser on the starboard side of the engine.......while I had the riser off I noticed some signs of leakage between the riser and manifold and also that both were starting to flake off internal corrosion.....So, I decided rather than to remount the OEM manifold/riser that now would be a good tike to R & R them before it turns into a head job.......I have replaced many auto manifolds over the years but I admit that I have never had any experience with marine manifolds......


So, here is my question.......what advice can you give me with regards to mounting these new BARR manifolds that the big brown truck just dropped off?

1. anti-sieze compound on the mounting bolts?
2. any special thread sealant for fittings and sensors that screw into the castings?
3. are the thick paper gaskets that come with the risers OK to use? (the OEM gaskets were metal)
4. I was thinking of putting a small ball valve in the rear of the manifold for easy draining of the manifolds?
5. do I use a gasket sealer on either the engine to manifold or the manifold to riser?

I would appreciate any pointers from any of you that have done manifolds/risers in the past.........


Thank you in advance for any info or advice you can provide.......

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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 8:31 am 
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JohnnyMarlin wrote:
Hey friends,

1. anti-sieze compound on the mounting bolts?

This is definitely a good idea, dont use too much, just enough to maybe coat the threads.

2. any special thread sealant for fittings and sensors that screw into the castings?

I used teflon tape on the fittings/plugs, some people say not to use teflon.. But I use it everyday at work, so.. not a big deal. If you don't use teflon, definitely use some type of thread sealer.

3. are the thick paper gaskets that come with the risers OK to use? (the OEM gaskets were metal)

A lot of people use the paper/fiber gaskets (with, and w/o sealant), I went with genuine Volvo gaskets for the risers (the metal ones), and installed per instructions.

4. I was thinking of putting a small ball valve in the rear of the manifold for easy draining of the manifolds?

This is also a great idea, I was going to do this as well with my new manifolds and risers. However, I went with OEM stuff, and Volvo has new drain plugs on the center-bottom of the manifold that make it easy to drain, so i ended up not going the ball valve route.

5. do I use a gasket sealer on either the engine to manifold or the manifold to riser?

Do not use any sealer between the engine to manifold surfaces, just clean the surfaces up @ the engine, and the paint (if any) off the mating surfaces of the manifold. Install with new gasket, no sealant. As for the riser to manifold connection, my latest volvo penta instructions say install their gasket with NO sealant, but I have heard a few people talking about a later service bulletin from Volvo regarding using a small amount of sealant at this connection. Its really preference, I used no sealant on mine, and have no issues. The original risers were installed from the factory with no sealer, never leaked in the last 13+ years.

I would appreciate any pointers from any of you that have done manifolds/risers in the past.........

Depending on how much room you have in your engine compartment, if its tight and you'll be working alone, you can get a few longer studs (same thread) as the bolts holding the manifold on and pre-thread them into the engine, these studs will act as guides that you can slide the new manifold onto, then you can take your time tightening all the other bolts without having to hold a heavy manifold up the whole time, then unthread the studs, and replace with the proper bolts and call it good.

Thank you in advance for any info or advice you can provide.......


Let me know if you need anything else, I've been lurking on this forum for awhile (I'm pretty active on another boating forum), but I'd like to meet some new folk over here as well! :D

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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 3:41 pm 
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I'm also interested in any replies this gets, as my boat is also in that 8 year range and I'm thinking risers and manifolds may be in my near future, as I'm sure there has been salt water in her past...but you know how it is - a gentleman never asks and a lady never tells. :)

Also - if there isn't much use for a ball valve for a riser drain on a three or seven point system, what about a riser fill for winterizing?

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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 8:49 am 
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At the bare minimum, I would pull the risers and at least check the water passages in both the manifolds, and risers and take it from there. My rig has never seen salt water, and the water jackets were plugged with rust, the inlet to each manifold was at a minimum 50-70% clogged (with rust/corrosion buildup).

Its worthwhile to at least pull the risers and check these areas of concern out (along with the gasket surfaces between the manifold and risers.)
I would recommend purchasing a couple of new riser gaskets before doing this, if you take the risers off and everything looks ok, throw on the new gaskets and re-assemble.
At least you have peace of mind knowing you've inspected these areas.

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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 5:00 pm 
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I just refitted the drain plugs on my manifolds ( I never bother to take the small ones out, just the bigger ones that the small plugs screw into). You might be able to fit a ball valve on the port side one, I think that on the starboard side there's not enough clearance between the manifold and the downpipe ( why it was not designed to be symmetrical, who knows !)

The latest VP recommendation is to use a copper containing adhesive on (their) manifold to riser gaskets ( they are metal, but graphite foil faced; common in the nuclear and submarine industry ! They are trying hard )


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 7:32 pm 
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I want to thank you guys that responded..........Got it all back together yesterday and fired it up......everything went as expected.......I went with new Barr manifolds......I was impressed with their quality and fit.......I gave them a nice new paint job with high temp engine paint a couple of days before installing........


I ended up using 1/2 NPT Fumoto drain valves on the back side of the manifolds.......they have a nice locking mechanism built into the valve itself........

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