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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:53 pm 
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I am unlcear why the aluminum is a poor choice... my Horizon 200 came with the factory 3 blade 14.25x21 prop and after speaking with Solas directly, I ordered a 4 blade 14.25x19 which I believe will give me the same results the OP is looking for... coming on plane faster, holding plane at slower speeds and the the power to pull up skiers..

I understand that the aluminum may defelct under load, whereas the SS doesnt, but the added benefit to aluminum is that it bends and saves your outdrive... afterall, these are runabout, cruising boats.. dont need every once of performance...

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:05 pm 
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nicks200horizon wrote:
I am unlcear why the aluminum is a poor choice... my Horizon 200 came with the factory 3 blade 14.25x21 prop and after speaking with Solas directly, I ordered a 4 blade 14.25x19 which I believe will give me the same results the OP is looking for... coming on plane faster, holding plane at slower speeds and the the power to pull up skiers..

I understand that the aluminum may defelct under load, whereas the SS doesnt, but the added benefit to aluminum is that it bends and saves your outdrive... afterall, these are runabout, cruising boats.. dont need every once of performance...


...and I can tell you have never run a SS prop.

I've said it many times... Alum doesn't save your outdrive. There is a rubber hub inside the prop (alum too)... that saves the drive! And, yes, when you have only ONE gear, you need every ounce of perfomance you can muster from BOTH ENDS of the spectrum. SS does much better than alum in gaining low end performance, as well as improving top-end.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:11 pm 
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nicks200horizon wrote:
I am unlcear why the aluminum is a poor choice... my Horizon 200 came with the factory 3 blade 14.25x21 prop and after speaking with Solas directly, I ordered a 4 blade 14.25x19 which I believe will give me the same results the OP is looking for... coming on plane faster, holding plane at slower speeds and the the power to pull up skiers..

I understand that the aluminum may defelct under load, whereas the SS doesnt, but the added benefit to aluminum is that it bends and saves your outdrive... afterall, these are runabout, cruising boats.. dont need every once of performance...


I went from VP SS to Aluminum Solas. It was horrible. It always felt like the boat couldn't get grip, or that it was always "slipping" traction. Hard to describe but it was def. the worst $100 I've ever spent. I went from 19 pitch SS to 21 pitch Solas AL and I actually lost 3-5mph across the board. 4000 RPMS was 30mph!! Complete trash.

And yes they do need every ounce of performance. Every once of performance = lower cruise RPMs = longer engine life = better fuel consumption = less downtime and maintenance. That's like saying "Hey, you don't need good tires on your car. Just throw some bald used ones on there, you won't know the difference"

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:14 pm 
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Walt wrote:
SS does much better than alum in gaining low end performance, as well as improving top-end.


Yeah, I'm kind of getting that impression. I'm trying to fit one into the budget before my next river trip (possibly).

That's why i was asking about pitch drop (or not). If I went SS, do i drop to a 19p or stay with the current configuration (21p).

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:33 pm 
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barthel wrote:
Walt wrote:
SS does much better than alum in gaining low end performance, as well as improving top-end.


Yeah, I'm kind of getting that impression. I'm trying to fit one into the budget before my next river trip (possibly).

That's why i was asking about pitch drop (or not). If I went SS, do i drop to a 19p or stay with the current configuration (21p).


OEM is 23p. Dropping down to a 19p and the top end will greatly suffer along with cruise MPH and GPH. You will have to manually limit the RPM's because if you just go WOT it will over-rev. Unless you're really loaded with weight.

Cruise MPH in an H180 seems to be perfect at around 30mph when I owned one, so with the 4.3GL you'll want 30mph cruise at no more then 3200rpms for best fuel consumption. With a GPS do you know what you're doing now?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:47 pm 
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At cruise I'm doing right around 30 (give or take), and that's GPS'd somewhere right around 3000 RPM'S. WOT is 47 (GPS'd again)

I agree, the sweet spot for my boat seems to be between 2800to 3200 RPM's for cruising.

I guess my concern with going with 19p SS is unloading the motor too much and changing the cruise RPM's. If a 21p 3 blade SS will give me the same pull/acceleration/holeshot as a 4 blade 19p would then I may go that route.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:13 pm 
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ric wrote:
nicks200horizon wrote:
I am unlcear why the aluminum is a poor choice... my Horizon 200 came with the factory 3 blade 14.25x21 prop and after speaking with Solas directly, I ordered a 4 blade 14.25x19 which I believe will give me the same results the OP is looking for... coming on plane faster, holding plane at slower speeds and the the power to pull up skiers..

I understand that the aluminum may defelct under load, whereas the SS doesnt, but the added benefit to aluminum is that it bends and saves your outdrive... afterall, these are runabout, cruising boats.. dont need every once of performance...


I went from VP SS to Aluminum Solas. It was horrible. It always felt like the boat couldn't get grip, or that it was always "slipping" traction. Hard to describe but it was def. the worst $100 I've ever spent. I went from 19 pitch SS to 21 pitch Solas AL and I actually lost 3-5mph across the board. 4000 RPMS was 30mph!! Complete trash.

And yes they do need every ounce of performance. Every once of performance = lower cruise RPMs = longer engine life = better fuel consumption = less downtime and maintenance. That's like saying "Hey, you don't need good tires on your car. Just throw some bald used ones on there, you won't know the difference"


Ric - Its not realy an apples to apples comparison though... I am going from a 3 blade 21p aluminum to a 4 blade 19p alumium, so the material stays the same just the number of blades and pitch changes.. you changed material and pitch... at the end of the day, if i can get my boat pop out of the hole quicker and stay on a plane at lower rpms, then I am happy...


and your tire analogy is laughable... you dont need a set of super high performance tires on your daily commuter, you need tires that will handle the job of getting you to and from work safely and comfortably... same with the boat..
you dont need every top end mph possible to tool around the lake in your runabout and have a good time...

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:35 pm 
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BTT for final question:

If I go with the SS prop, do I stay with the 21p?

I've pretty much decided on each prop, I'm just figuring budget now to see of I can afford the SS. If I can, I'ma gonna do it! :D

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:32 pm 
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I cant answer your queston... however, I just installed my 4 blade 19p, aluminum Solas prop and love it.. didnt lose any on the top end but the mid range is fantastic!! The boat is very repsonsive now...

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