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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:53 am 
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Hehee - we have it now for future reference.

The "gronk"... when a gas engine's ignition timing is too far advanced, the fuel will light off so early in the upstroke to TDC that it stops the piston slightly before going past TDC, and will stop the starter in it's tracks. If it's bad enough, one can easily wear out a starter in no time. It sorta goes; "Gronk, tink, gronk, tink, and then when it fires off, varoom!" - LOL - gotta love explaining sounds via writing! You'll hear the starter turn the engine, then a sudden, albeit slight and non-damaging "tink" that is very similar to pre-ignition ping, and the engine will stop turning until the expanding gas from the detonation succumbs to the force of the starter again. Some of us older people probably have experienced similar issues to this first hand (or leg) trying to kick-start a motorcycle... not too fun when it kicks back on you. I've had lawnmowers do this too and near about break my wrist yanking the pull start out of my hand. It typically only exhibits this behavior more when the engine is warm.

I tried to find some examples of this online, but failed. I may have to do a short video next time I take the boat out as an example.

I'm not entirely sure if the ECM in our boats utilize a knock sensor. I'd like to get my hands on some info for the ECMs in these engines and play with it. When I started tuning the Corvette I had, nobody had any ECM definitions for that model ECM. The locations, parameters, and information for much of the calibration ROM was unknown. I took a "dead" ECM, extracted the program ROM from it, ran it though a disassembler, then from that was able to reverse-engineer the ECM program enough to get the information to discover where all the important calibration data tables were mapped in the calibration ROM. It is not a fun process, but it was needed since there was no publicly available information on that particular ECM. I would do this on the Mercruiser 555 ECM that's in most of the Mercruiser EFI/MPI engines out there. It would make it easy to change fuel schedules, etc. for modifying our engines with bigger power adders. It would be easier if they had a removable UVEPROM, but I think they are electronically erased and programmed via the diagnostic port. That rules out me being able to remove the cal ROM and copy it with my EPROM burner. Grr.

Sorry - thinking out loud here I guess :)


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:58 pm 
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Thanks for the explaination! :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:29 pm 
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Some additional info:
It was one of the Mercruiser models I saw information on that had a knock sensor.

Some of the mercruiser ECM models have a base timing of 1 BTDC. The OP's Volvo engine has a base timing of 8 BTDC. I would suggest that the 1 BTDC is for easy starting (to prevent the "Gronk"), and the ECM advances after starting.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:24 pm 
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Hi Guys
Just like to say a big thanks to all for taking the time to reply to my post,my Engine is running great at the moment and I just wanted the info on how to set the timing if ever I need to.

I have search high & low for online info or video's but none for this Engine.

Bringing the boat home this winter to replace the exhaust manifolds & risers & circulation water pump,also like to fit shore power sockets.

Roll on next season :)

Cheers

Taza

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:38 am 
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That's exactly why one would use less initial timing and more ECM controlled timing. It's similar to the vacuum advance on automobiles, in that it adds a bunch of advance in to the base timing when once it fires off. I'll have to see if I can find some Mercruiser ECM hacks this winter; it would be nice for us to have some options. Sorry, VP, you're on your own there... unless anyone has a VP boat to "loan" me for a while ;)
Cheers, Taza. I hope your boat enjoys it's winter, and that next year brings much more enjoyment, merriment, and fun!


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