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Author: | NiagaraChillin [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | First Time Drive Removal (with pics) |
So my season is over due to me being able to get a great deal on indoor storage if I get the boat there in a week. Today I tackled removing the drive. I thought I would post this for all the new guys who (like me) were very nervous removing the drive. All in all, it took me about an hour and the only tools I needed were two 5/8 wrenchs, needlenose pliers, 5/8 socket with swivel extension and ratchet, a 3/8 socket with driver, and a flattip screwdriver. Any ways, on to the job, this applies to a VolVo Penta SX Cobra drive: Drive before I started. Lower your trailer tongue all the way down and lower the drive all the way down too. ![]() Use a wrench to remove the plastic bolt cap. ![]() Then use a wrench to remove nut (on both sides) that holds tilt pistons on. ![]() You may have to use a wrench on each nut at the same time to remove both, the shaft tends to spin if you just do one at a time. ![]() The manual says to remove the shaft from the drive, but I found it just as easy to loosen the rear nuts on the rear of the tilt pistons and pull the entire piston away from the drive. ![]() Piston off of shaft. I plan on replacing the plastic/rubber washer grommets on the shaft that butt up against the drive housing, one of them was cracked and they both are a bit dry rotted. ![]() Support the pistons up and out of the way (I used a bungee cord), then use the 3/8 socket to remove the 3 bolts that hold the rear cover one. This cover is plastic and does not have a gasket since the drive is water tight underneath it. ![]() Drive with cover off. Next, remove the cotter pin (at tip of screwdriver in pic) from the shifter linkage pin and unscrew the shifter linkage pin from the shifter rod, that way it doesn't get caught on anything when you pull the drive off. ![]() ![]() Next remove the 6 nuts (3 on each side) with a 5/8 socket with swivel. Make sure the socket is seated on the nut nice and tight, a stripped nut in this area would be a huge PIA to remove. ![]() Ok, here we go! If you have a transmission jack or a stand/rig to support the drive, now is the time to get it in place under the drive. Unfortunately, I have neither so I removed mine by hand. Also unfortunately, since I removed mine by hand, I couldn't take a pic of this process ![]() The opening on top is your driveshaft bellows, the one below is the exhaust bellows, the smaller one to the side is the water intake that goes to the seawater pump. ![]() The driveshaft bellows is where you want to inspect the closest. Check the actual bellows for cracks, tears, or holes, and if there is water and/or drive oil present. If there is water or oil it is probably due to a bad input seal. As you can see from the pic, I have oil in mine (ugh). Check the gimble bearing (see arrow) for free movement with no "gritty" feeling when it spins. ![]() This is the oil that was in my driveshaft bellows. You can make out a bit of milkyness to it. ![]() After you inspect the bellows, check the U-Joints and driveshaft on the back of the drive. Check the U-Joints for clanks, slop, or play. I discover a bit of rust on my U-Joints (arrow in pic). ![]() I made a stand for my drive to store inside my garage over the winter. KInda hillbilly, but it works for me ![]() ![]() So, my plans for the winter now include ordering bellows, gimble bearing and a input seal kit. Hope this helps all the new guys! |
Author: | rpengr [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Time Drive Removal (with pics) |
Nice Job, Thanks. Last time I did this was OMC, which did not require disconnecting the Shift Cable. |
Author: | Graham R [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Time Drive Removal (with pics) |
On the later drives (1998 on ? certainly by 1999 ) the caps on the ends of the pivot cylinder mounting shaft are just clipped on; a screwdriver gets them off . Also there are no nuts; they are held in place by "E" clips; again a screwdriver gets them off. Using 2 screwdrivers is better as they apply a more even force to the clip, with less chance of breaking the clip if it's tight. The bushes by design are split. They are held closed by a rubber band. Maybe it's to take up any wear. When you come to replace the drive (and to a lesser extent to remove it), you'll find it MUCH easier if you use a wheeled stand of some sort ! Especially so if an ESP which limits standing height is fitted to the boat. |
Author: | rpengr [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Time Drive Removal (with pics) |
What are anyone's thoughts about checking the alignment each time the drive is removed? What type of tool is necessary to do this? Will a certain diameter rod or tube do the trick? |
Author: | Graham R [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Time Drive Removal (with pics) |
I'd say it's worth doing it; the drive on mine had always been slightly dfficult to refit but up to this year it had always gone in. After fitting a new gimbal bearing this year, there was no way I could get it to go back on. I had to buy an alignment tool; very expensive here in the UK, it was around £55- £60 (USD 90- 100) or thereabouts for a piece of machined steel rod. plus freight. They're a lot cheaper in the US, but the freight charges to the UK would have bumped the cost up well beyond the UK price ! I was surprised how far out the engine alignment actually was, not just in the up and down directiion, but one side was originally higher than the other as well. The old gimbal bearing must have "gimballed" a lot easier than the new one did. and allowed for more misalignment. I wonder in fact how well the alignment was set in the first place as I had to actually drop the engine mounting heights; I'd have expected to have to go the other way if the rubber in the engine mounts had sagged! Adjusting the alignment eventually took about 20 minutes. However, freeing off the alignment ajustment nuts on the engine mountings took a LOT longer ! ( I had to take both engine mountings off to free them up , all bolts, nuts and threaded bar rusted up etc; It took about a day to get to the point where I could attempt to adjust the alignment !) The drive went back on very easily. |
Author: | neutron [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Time Drive Removal (with pics) |
it doesnt get much easier than a VP sx/or dp drive to remove. I have it down to about 15 min or less. I made a carpeted stand that i place on my creeper. then I lower the drive onto it then remove the rams and nuts and then its easy to roll it away on the creeper. saves my back cause the drawback it these drives are heavier than a merc. |
Author: | rpengr [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Time Drive Removal (with pics) |
Graham R wrote: ... I had to buy an alignment tool; very expensive here in the UK, it was around £55- £60 (USD 90- 100) or thereabouts for a piece of machined steel rod... I suspected it was just a machined steel bar. Any chance you have a way to measure the diameter accurately? I work in a machine shop and could easily make my own if I had dimensions. |
Author: | neutron [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Time Drive Removal (with pics) |
rpengr wrote: Graham R wrote: ... I had to buy an alignment tool; very expensive here in the UK, it was around £55- £60 (USD 90- 100) or thereabouts for a piece of machined steel rod... I suspected it was just a machined steel bar. Any chance you have a way to measure the diameter accurately? I work in a machine shop and could easily make my own if I had dimensions. I took the front yoke off my spare parts dp drive and use that for an alignment tool, cant get a better line up than that. when that goes through, you know the drive will fall into place easy |
Author: | Graham R [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Time Drive Removal (with pics) |
rpengr wrote: Graham R wrote: ... I had to buy an alignment tool; very expensive here in the UK, it was around £55- £60 (USD 90- 100) or thereabouts for a piece of machined steel rod... I suspected it was just a machined steel bar. Any chance you have a way to measure the diameter accurately? I work in a machine shop and could easily make my own if I had dimensions. Overall length: 550mm These other dimensions taken using a Vernier (not digital, but I learned how to use a manual one properly at school, 40 years ago !). Sorry, I only learned how to read the netric scale ! First section: 55.70 mm length x 25.60 mm diameter, slight taper on end. ( I think it just acts as a guide) Sharp transition to: Second section: 68.8 mm length x 29.25 mm diameter (this is for the splined section of coupler) 45 deg transition to main section: 34.90 mm diameter ( This is for the bore of gimbal bearing) |
Author: | rpengr [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Time Drive Removal (with pics) |
Graham R wrote: rpengr wrote: Graham R wrote: ... I had to buy an alignment tool; very expensive here in the UK, it was around £55- £60 (USD 90- 100) or thereabouts for a piece of machined steel rod... I suspected it was just a machined steel bar. Any chance you have a way to measure the diameter accurately? I work in a machine shop and could easily make my own if I had dimensions. Overall length: 550mm These other dimensions taken using a Vernier (not digital, but I learned how to use a manual one properly at school, 40 years ago !). Sorry, I only learned how to read the netric scale ! First section: 55.70 mm length x 25.60 mm diameter, slight taper on end. ( I think it just acts as a guide) Sharp transition to: Second section: 68.8 mm length x 29.25 mm diameter (this is for the splined section of coupler) 45 deg transition to main section: 34.90 mm diameter ( This is for the bore of gimbal bearing) Here is a blueprint based on Graham R's measurements. ![]() http://www.rpengr.com/Alignment_Tool.PDF (converted into inches) VP tool is steel, however Brass or Aluminum would work ok for personal use. |
Author: | boater50 [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Time Drive Removal (with pics) |
Thanks for the pics! NiagraChillin......I may attempt doing mine...I have a DP, but I assume everything is pretty much the same? One question....did you first drain the drive lubricant before removal? Is it necessary to drain first? Can you drain and then refill AFTER the drive is off? As for the alignment tool....are there supposed to be splines on the end that inserts into the transom housing/gimbal bearing? I may make one of those myself..... |
Author: | rpengr [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Time Drive Removal (with pics) |
boater50 wrote: Thanks for the pics! NiagraChillin......I may attempt doing mine...I have a DP, but I assume everything is pretty much the same? One question....did you first drain the drive lubricant before removal? Is it necessary to drain first? Can you drain and then refill AFTER the drive is off? As for the alignment tool....are there supposed to be splines on the end that inserts into the transom housing/gimbal bearing? I may make one of those myself..... The DP procedure is exactly the same. No need to drain the drive oil. And you can change the drive oil on or off the boat (as long as the unit is vertical). On my old cobra, I used to leave the shifter in Forward (or Reverse) before removing the drive. That way while re-installing, I could spin the prop if needed to make the splines mesh. Was there a thin gasket between the two faces? I went to get one today, and the parts book only showed the rubber seal around the raw water port, but no large flat gasket like I always had on the OMC cobra? |
Author: | Thalasso [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Time Drive Removal (with pics) |
Alignment tool specs. http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w241 ... entbar.jpg |
Author: | Graham R [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Time Drive Removal (with pics) |
No need to drain the oil before removing the drive; it's a self contained unit. Likewise, you can refil it before it's refitted. There's no need for splines on the alignment tool; the diameter of the relevent section is a clearance fit for the high points (i .e. the smallest ID) of the splines of the coupler. The only gasket is around the water pipe ( but you really need to ensure the drive shaft bellows are correctly seated in the pivot/ tilt housing) The gearchange actuator is easy to engage ( before the shift cable is attached0 so forward or reverse can be selected so rotating the output shaft(s) gets the splines on the input shaft to line up |
Author: | NiagaraChillin [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Time Drive Removal (with pics) |
Your welcome boater50...looks like rpengr and Graham answered your questions. It really was quite simple, and now I know why LouC is always saying to remove the drive every year. As you can see I found oil in my bellows and evidence of past water (rust on U-Joints). I'm glad I caught it now, I could only imagine the damage if I let it sit for year(s). I'm starting to think the previous owner, while meticulous with external care and basic mechanics, really didn't get into the "down and greasy" stuff. |
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