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 Post subject: Safety Gone mad
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 2:57 am 
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I realize that in the USA safety is paramount, but I can't help but think this was going a little overboard. I guess what got me thinking was why did they need to stamp this on the boat winch
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From memory I think there was 7 different warnings on the boarding ladder including do not remove this warning label

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 Post subject: Re: Safety Gone mad
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 7:28 am 
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Ardy - that always cracks me up...the part about do not use to move humans. I just try to envision the real reason this warning came about.

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 Post subject: Re: Safety Gone mad
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 7:46 am 
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seems to me it would work if they weigh less than 900 lbs :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Safety Gone mad
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 8:19 am 
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ardy wrote:
From memory I think there was 7 different warnings on the boarding ladder including do not remove this warning label


America has become a sue-happy country and many want something for nothing. I guess that explains how Obama got elected.

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 Post subject: Re: Safety Gone mad
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 9:25 am 
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I think what it probably means is that no one should be aboard the boat while it is being winched.

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 Post subject: Re: Safety Gone mad
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 11:37 am 
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In confined space/fall protection people will use almost anything they can find sometimes to raise or lower people and equipment. There are winches that look almost just like a boat winch that are used for confined space rescue or to raise and lower people/equipment. If it didn't say that its not man rated and someone got hurt using it wrong a huge law suite could result. We have to state pretty clearly on our winches and srl's if they are man,equipment, or rated for both and to what load.

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 Post subject: Re: Safety Gone mad
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 12:35 pm 
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ksteiger wrote:
I think what it probably means is that no one should be aboard the boat while it is being winched.



I believe thats a wrong assumption.

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 Post subject: Re: Safety Gone mad
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 1:57 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Safety Gone mad
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What you're looking at there is several hundred thousand dollars (maybe much more) spent on an army of lawyers who shouldn't have been involved in the first place.

Same reason every US-sold wheelbarrow tire has to be stamped "Not for highway use." Common sense, and judges who believe in the value of it, are a distant memory here.

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 Post subject: Re: Safety Gone mad
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 4:34 pm 
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Don't use this winch for lifting humans, because we can sell you another one ( exactly the same) for lifting humans, but it's 3 X the price ! It's the same with chemicals such as glycerine used as raw materials in the production of medicinal products; same stuff as you can buy elsewhere , but 3 X the price! ( bit like the marine industry really !)

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 Post subject: Re: Safety Gone mad
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 5:00 pm 
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bndfishing wrote:
In confined space/fall protection people will use almost anything they can find sometimes to raise or lower people and equipment. There are winches that look almost just like a boat winch that are used for confined space rescue or to raise and lower people/equipment. If it didn't say that its not man rated and someone got hurt using it wrong a huge law suite could result. We have to state pretty clearly on our winches and srl's if they are man,equipment, or rated for both and to what load.

+1 (from a safety officer!)

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 Post subject: Re: Safety Gone mad
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 6:22 pm 
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The reason for the stamp is because of the manufacturing/design requirements. Anything involving lifting things falls into two classes: for humans or not. The design might be the same, but when human life is on the line there must be more certainty that the materials and processes are controlled so that there's very little chance of failure. I think it's a good thing; means that we take safety seriously where needed and that we don't have to pay extra when it isn't all that important. Although if you drop your FW on the ramp that's still pretty bad... Now the safety stickers- those are crazy. I heard about a yamaha jet boat with a sticker warning you not to use the nozzle to pump water into certain body cavities?!?!


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 Post subject: Re: Safety Gone mad
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 7:28 pm 
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230 Mike wrote:
What you're looking at there is several hundred thousand dollars (maybe much more) spent on an army of lawyers who shouldn't have been involved in the first place.

Same reason every US-sold wheelbarrow tire has to be stamped "Not for highway use." Common sense, and judges who believe in the value of it, are a distant memory here.


Now that is funny , someone stop the world I want to get off, hang on I think I will just go boating instead

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 Post subject: Re: Safety Gone mad
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Not to mention it is only a 1300 lb winch, and to be man rated it has to be at least 5000.

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