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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:27 pm 
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I live on Long Island, we are surrounded by water, all of it salt water, I'd estimate about 75% of boats are slipped in marinas or on moorings. These boats get used and enjoyed, they are not sitting collecting dust in a storage facility. The bottom paint thing is not so bad, and not having to trailer is a benefit. Where I live is a tough neighborhood to trailer in with very narrow roads and steep hills. And then there's the famous Long Island traffic. If I had to trailer I would stick to hot rods. So I plan on having used boats, that have already been in salt water with bottom paint and outboard powered most likely in the future. There are boats out there older than mine, that get used at least every week, running across Long Island Sound to Connecticut, with people enjoying them. Yes the bottom paint and (in the case of I/Os) drive paint ritual is a pain, but worth the pleasure of jumping on the boat in 15 minutes and being out in a beautiful place.....it's just a vehicle to me to bring us to the beauty of Long Island.....



Well said!

Being in Boston, its the same thing. Bottom paint it & paint the drive. As Lou said, a dual battery setup and a on board charger. I have 3 pumps on board, 1 forward and 2 aft. Each one is wired to a differnt battery to share the load is something were to happen.

Nothing beats a slip. As some one said, "we like the night life" & we like sleeping on board.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:34 am 
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LouC wrote:
I live on Long Island, we are surrounded by water, all of it salt water, I'd estimate about 75% of boats are slipped in marinas or on moorings. These boats get used and enjoyed, they are not sitting collecting dust in a storage facility. The bottom paint thing is not so bad, and not having to trailer is a benefit. Where I live is a tough neighborhood to trailer in with very narrow roads and steep hills. And then there's the famous Long Island traffic. If I had to trailer I would stick to hot rods. So I plan on having used boats, that have already been in salt water with bottom paint and outboard powered most likely in the future. There are boats out there older than mine, that get used at least every week, running across Long Island Sound to Connecticut, with people enjoying them. Yes the bottom paint and (in the case of I/Os) drive paint ritual is a pain, but worth the pleasure of jumping on the boat in 15 minutes and being out in a beautiful place.....it's just a vehicle to me to bring us to the beauty of Long Island.....



Well said!

Being in Boston, its the same thing. Bottom paint it & paint the drive. As Lou said, a dual battery setup and a on board charger. I have 3 pumps on board, 1 forward and 2 aft. Each one is wired to a differnt battery to share the load is something were to happen.

Nothing beats a slip. As some one said, "we like the night life" & we like sleeping on board.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:50 am 
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230 Mike wrote:
I'd sell my boat before I'd consider slipping it without a lift.


+1. Slipped a boat for 10 years. It was fun, but I don't miss it one bit. So in our case "once you slip, you will never go back"
is not the case. We will never go back to slipping a boat.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:29 am 
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Its a 200 Bowrider....what kind of condo night life slip party do y'all expect him to have? I would imagine he's going on sporadic weekend trips and holidays. The slips are popular for those with big boats or those who live at lake but aren't waterfront....at least around here. Now in gigantic overcrowded cities where parking is impossible, OK.

From what I've seen...slips are where birds go to crap on boats...the flow of water around the metal frames creates corrosive conditions....with a boat that size I personally would search for a marina with a haul out service or get a lift which is pricey.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:28 am 
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TX H210SS wrote:
Its a 200 Bowrider....what kind of condo night life slip party do y'all expect him to have? I would imagine he's going on sporadic weekend trips and holidays. The slips are popular for those with big boats or those who live at lake but aren't waterfront....at least around here. Now in gigantic overcrowded cities where parking is impossible, OK.

From what I've seen...slips are where birds go to crap on boats...the flow of water around the metal frames creates corrosive conditions....with a boat that size I personally would search for a marina with a haul out service or get a lift which is pricey.



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:31 am 
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Yeah, those overnights in sleeping bag with just the bimini up, laying on the floor will be hard to beat....

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:00 am 
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TX H210SS wrote:
Its a 200 Bowrider....what kind of condo night life slip party do y'all expect him to have? I would imagine he's going on sporadic weekend trips and holidays. The slips are popular for those with big boats or those who live at lake but aren't waterfront....at least around here. Now in gigantic overcrowded cities where parking is impossible, OK.

From what I've seen...slips are where birds go to crap on boats...the flow of water around the metal frames creates corrosive conditions....with a boat that size I personally would search for a marina with a haul out service or get a lift which is pricey.


I really apprecite the opinions and insight. That is why I enjoy this forum so much.

TX H210SS sums it up pretty good for me. LC doesn't have a marina that offers haul out service. I wish they did. The nightlife at Conley bottom is more family orientated. We visit "friends with big boats" at the State Dock for the kid free weekends.

After considering a lot of the thoughts, I'm leaning more towards keeping my current set up and buying a cheap truck to leave at the boat storage and creating my own personal "in/out service" :D

I'm not 100% yet, but maybe I begin my slipping life when a small cruiser enters the picture in a few more years!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:15 am 
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I dunno.... we have been slipping this boat and our previous 180 for 6 years now, no bottom paint. actually, none of the boats at our marina have bottom paint. I have had no blistering problems, and only one corrosion problem due to incorrect anodes and the early paint problem on the newer volvo drive. The merc drive with the correct anodes has been good. I think the water makeup has alot to do with the need for bottom painting or epoxy coating. Take a look at what others are doing on your lake, with regards to bottom coatings.

Now there is a bit more cleanup when the boat does come out of the water, with a scumline and some tanin staining, but that doesn't take too much effort.

We really favor the ability to pull up to the marina, hop onboard and be out on the water in minutes, rather than waiting to launch, waiting to retrieve etc.... We often just go out to the boat and sit at the marina to have coffee.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:53 am 
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kyboater - I think your thought of "I'm leaning more towards keeping my current set up and buying a cheap truck to leave at the boat storage and creating my own personal "in/out service" could very well be a good fit for you, especially if you don't mind having a cheap truck and have a place to keep truck/boat.

You should add up all the expenses with what it truly costs to keep that "cheap" truck, as there would still be insurance coverage, general maintenance, license fees, truck depreciation, etc. This assumes the "cheap" truck is only used for boat transport and launching and not for your normal day to day commuting.

As boat sizes increase and ease of trailering decrease, then slips simply just start to make much more sense.

chrisvs - As you mention even in our freshwater lakes the variation in fouling conditions are great. Our 328 Vista came from the Trent Severn Waters and it remained in a slip for six months of our boating season with no anitfouling paint with no problem. I'd have a carpeted underside of our boat in Lake St.Clair without antifouling paint.

I can see the advantages for both trailer boating and slip boating. Just depends a lot on boat size and how someone wishes to boat (and spend their $).

Have fun with your decision.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:33 pm 
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I love the differnce opinions between the lake boater & the saltwater boaters. From lake boaters "I will sell my boat first" to saltwater boaters having no problems on being on a slip.

Slips for us saltwater boaters can be cheaper since we have more yacht clubs to pick from. Clubs all-around are cheaper since there non-profit. Bottom paint really does not hurt the resell value for us since its a normal part fo boating. A lift, you will never see one around here! We have at lest a 12' swing in the tides, plus there currents to deal with. Becuase of this our docks float, so no lifts here.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:52 pm 
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Paul I. wrote:
I love the differnce opinions between the lake boater & the saltwater boaters. From lake boaters "I will sell my boat first" to saltwater boaters having no problems on being on a slip.

Slips for us saltwater boaters can be cheaper since we have more yacht clubs to pick from. Clubs all-around are cheaper since there non-profit. Bottom paint really does not hurt the resell value for us since its a normal part fo boating. A lift, you will never see one around here! We have at lest a 12' swing in the tides, plus there currents to deal with. Becuase of this our docks float, so no lifts here.

Rack storage is a popular option at a lot of marinas here too, to keep the boat at a marina, not have to trailer it, and be in and out quickly. No bottom paint necessary because the boat doesn't sit in the water. Do they have that type of setup in the lakes like out here on the coast?

Here's a picture a couple weeks ago I took at Northside Marina on Sesuit Harbor in Dennis, MA.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:50 am 
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I have heard of rack storage but have never seen one. There are very few of them in the Boston area. I think in general, the saltwater boater owns a bigger boat. At 26 feet, I have one of the smaller boats at my club. Plus, you almost never see an open bowboat. Never mind the sail boaters we have.

This is a pick of my club from the air. 166 slips & growing/

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:25 pm 
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In my harbor we have an eclectic mix, big inboards, fishing boats of all sizes, small cruisers, bow riders, and a number of sailboats. Interestingly power is evenly divided, 1/3 OB, 1/3 inboard and 1/3 I/O. All on rotating moorings, many left in during Sandy (10 ft surge over high tide) a few broke loose and had damage. I pulled mine the Friday before the storm.

On the South Shore of the island during the storm it was completely different, in many cases the boats left in the water did better than those on land, most of the South Shore is barely above sea level so there were boats scattered everywhere, on major roads (Sunrise Highway) train tracks, in people's back yards, etc. A real mess.

To keep the birds off I use pennant flags strung along the boat, they don't like them and stay away. That is really the only other problem besides marine growth when you are in a slip or mooring. I think with the traffic here, your boat is probably safer on a rotating mooring than if you trailered it every weekend in the season.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:29 pm 
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Paul I. wrote:
Becuase of this our docks float, so no lifts here.


Not exactly sure what this has to do with anything? Our docks at our lake all float here too because our lake changes levels throughout the year, and we have tons of people with lifts. The lifts attach to the docks, so not sure why them floating would prevent you from having a lift... Just curious about that statement is all... :)

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:32 pm 
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LouC wrote:
Keep in mind that, bottom paint itself, does not stop water absorption into the hull and does not stop blistering. What stops it is first, barrier coating the bottom in an epoxy barrier coat and then using bottom paint on that.


Yes, this is correct, and what I meant when I said "properly bottom painted", but good to point that out.. ;)

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