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 Post subject: Re: Ethanol repeal
PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:51 pm 
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I grew up from the age of 12 to 21 using alcohol based fuels (I raced professionally in WKA).

I know exactly what it does. Go buy some Gate's Barricade Fuel Line to replace any rubber you might have and you're fine.


What about the metal lines ric? the ones on the karts were probably chosen with the knowledge that they were using alcohol fuels from the get go. You have an aluminum tank, steel lines, steel fuel filter, and aluminum carb body.
If the auto makers and boat sellers felt that they could brag about flex fuel capability with no cost to them they'd do it in a heartbeat. The fact that they don't tells you something. I don't think I am smarter than those engineers do you?



I'm not. They've been selling them for 50 years. Go buy a car in South America. GM, ford, Dodge, whatever. 100% of them since the 60's have been flex fuel.

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 Post subject: Re: Ethanol repeal
PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:06 pm 
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Do I have to set up an account just to sign the petition? As for that government mandated piss-water ethanol, it has no business being in a boat and only an idiot would use corn as an alternative fuel due to the associated rise in food prices. Lobbyist in action.

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 Post subject: Re: Ethanol repeal
PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:25 pm 
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298VISTA2000 wrote:
Do I have to set up an account just to sign the petition? As for that government mandated piss-water ethanol, it has no business being in a boat and only an idiot would use corn as an alternative fuel due to the associated rise in food prices. Lobbyist in action.

Looks like you might.

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 Post subject: Re: Ethanol repeal
PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:33 pm 
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Do I have to set up an account just to sign the petition?

Looks like you might.


Yes, you do have to set up an account but it only takes a minute. I guess the NSA just got my e-mail address (if they didn't have it already).

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 Post subject: Re: Ethanol repeal
PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:51 pm 
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ric wrote:
I'm not. They've been selling them for 50 years. Go buy a car in South America. GM, ford, Dodge, whatever. 100% of them since the 60's have been flex fuel.


I was just going to say BS without researching it, but figured, a little factual information goes further.

This is a pretty good article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_eth ... l_mixtures

So according to ric all vehicles sold in South American are flex fuel. Where in fact Brazil and Paraguay seem to be the only South American countries that mandates anything more than a typical E5 or E10 we are used to in NA.

There is information regarding the E100 vehicles sold in Brazil and what modifications are required. I find it particularly interesting that a secondary gasoline reservoir is required for "cold" starts below 59F.

Once again, ric is essentially wrong. South America is a huge continent with a lot of counties. Brazil is certainly one of, if not the most developed/wealthy with substantial automotive manufacturing. They seem to be really pushing the envelope world wide for ethanol blended fuels.

It is very important to note that even the E20/E25 mandated in Brazil requires "modifications" as compared to a car sold in North America. It is also important to note that "Flex Fuel" has been a name given to vehicles sold in NA that can run on E85. One last note, the Brazilian mixes have only been used/mandated for around 35 years, not 50.

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 Post subject: Re: Ethanol repeal
PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:59 pm 
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Yes you have to modify the tune. E10, E15, E2x, E85 requires more fuel than E0.

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