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fi.na.tine · **Posted:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:06 pm

298VISTA2000 wrote:

Here is someone's post that sums it up in my book:

Quote:

I see nothing noble in any of this, and I am amazed that anyone does.

Exactly. Alot of people who complain about the "nanny state" then turn around to curse those who need government assistance. What if you and your family - who went out well prepared - had a medical emergency at sea while this nimrod was out "living his dream" and getting saved by the CG?

Stupid people like this cost us all money in the end.

Walt · **Posted:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:50 pm

I believe strongly in following one's dream... unless that dream involves crossing a vast expanse of water in something you built yourself. It's both happy and sad that this result is what we were all hoping for... no lives lost.

boater · **Posted:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:17 pm

I'm surprised they refer to it as a "Sailing Vessel".

JeffLW · **Posted:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:33 pm

Yup, that ended just like we all thought it would.

Jdpber · **Posted:** Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:20 am

TX H210SS wrote:

Here's another group that sailed in a POS boat made in a garage....oh, wait it was a pos expensive yacht owned by a desk jocky executive.

By Staff, Associated Press JANUARY 31, 2015

MANTEO, N.C. — The

U.S. Coast Guard says

it rescued five people

from a sailboat after

the boat's mast broke

about 200 miles off the

coast of North

Carolina.

A statement from the Coast Guard

says watchstanders at a command

center in Portsmouth, Virginia, were

notified Friday afternoon that the

55-foot catamaran Rainmaker

suffered a broken mast in 40 mph

winds and 13-foot seas. It occurred

about 200 miles southeast of Cape

Hatteras, North Carolina.

A helicopter crew was able to hoist

all five boaters from the damaged

sailboat. The Coast Guard says the

boaters were taken to Dare County

Regional Airport in Manteo in good

condition. WRAL TV reports:

Recommended: 13 survival stories from around the world

A Coast Guard rescue ship

arrived at the damaged vessel

at about 4:05 p.m., but the 350-

foot cargo ship was unable to

come alongside the Rain

Maker.

An MH-60 Jayhawk helicopter

arrived at about 5 p.m. and

hoisted all five people from the

water.

“The mission today was

challenging for our crews due

to the distance from shore and

the weather conditions,” Petty

Officer 1st Class Allen Facenda,

an operations specialist in

Portsmouth who worked on

the case, said in a statement.

“The crew we rescued had a

registered and up-to-date

emergency position indicating

radio beacon that told us their

exact position. All five people

were wearing life jackets and

were prepared to abandon

their vessel in a life raft. We

were happy to get there before

that became necessary.”

I actually have a lot of factual information about this situation. As my dad is the lead investigator for the NY based insurance company that the owner carries his policy with..

All i can say is that they were headed to a large offshore sailing race in the islands. The boat was in the yard at the manufacture for work.. The cat is now considered salvage by maritime law as all occupants were removed by he USCG. A large commercial fishing boat ran south in the ditch to get south of the weather to make to slow chug out to the boat that was then 280 something miles offshore. USCG tracking bacon.

Their is more going on other than weather as this is an off shore racing boat that is designed to take the seas that it was in. Where as the FH was a homdepot built pile of shit and not a 5.5 million dollar carbon fiber racing machine..

rpengr · **Posted:** Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:54 am

298VISTA2000 wrote:

Four years work and all his Mother's money... All to go on a 5 day cruise with a complimentary helicopter ride! :shock:

He could have gotten a Carnival 5 day cruise for $279 and skipped the helicopter ride.

babbot1 · **Joined:** Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:46 pm **Posts:** 570

But look at it this way. Last time I went to buy an oil filter at a big name auto parts store, it was the first time buying it for my new car and i was blown away by how expensive it was. I said its cheaper to have the dealer change the oil. He said without skipping a beat, "but you get the satisfaction doing it yourself."
So with that line of thinking Hotrod had the satisfaction of sinking his own vessel rather than a taking a carnival cruise and having their captain doing it for him....

Jdpber · **Posted:** Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:44 am

rpengr wrote:

298VISTA2000 wrote:

Four years work and all his Mother's money... All to go on a 5 day cruise with a complimentary helicopter ride! :shock:

He could have gotten a Carnival 5 day cruise for $279 and skipped the helicopter ride.

how forget: labor, headache form the boat community in his yard, and he went to jail 2x bc he is a dumbass, kicked out of the marina because "the boat is an eye sore"

He would have been better off buying a WW2 landing craft. rebuilding a cummins 12v, and strapping a camper to the badge.

LVChris · **Posted:** Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:57 pm

I have been following it on SA since the beginning. Say what you want but not this guy has a story to tell and I would pay to see;

All is lost 2
"Try"tanic
Open Water 3

Even a reality series...

I think he will make a fortune off this...ok maybe not a fortune, but he could probably get a used motorcycle.

Jdpber · **Posted:** Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:38 pm

LVChris wrote:

I have been following it on SA since the beginning. Say what you want but not this guy has a story to tell and I would pay to see;

All is lost 2
"Try"tanic
Open Water 3

Even a reality series...

I think he will make a fortune off this...ok maybe not a fortune, but he could probably get a used motorcycle.

like a used 1988 Kawasaki Ninja 250 for $400

Jdpber · **Posted:** Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:26 pm

Update on NC carbon cat lost at sea. as of 8:30 east the fishing boat stopped searching for the night after 6hours of searching in 20' seas. They are on the coordinates the USCG is giving but with swells that big they could be in different wave valley and never see each other and be on top of it.

TX H210SS · **Joined:** Thu May 27, 2010 9:10 am **Posts:** 1488

I read that the CG conducted over 2500 searches off the upper east coast this past year. Does that sound right?

So they have a 5.5 million dollar yacht and they get picked up by chopper. The boat flounders unmanned and gets claimed by finders keepers or is lost.....does insurance pay for the lost vessel?

Jdpber · **Posted:** Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:23 am

TX H210SS wrote:

I read that the CG conducted over 2500 searches off the upper east coast this past year. Does that sound right?

So they have a 5.5 million dollar yacht and they get picked up by chopper. The boat flounders unmanned and gets claimed by finders keepers or is lost.....does insurance pay for the lost vessel?

well it is called Maritime law.

Concept of salvage under Maritime Law[edit]
The right to be rewarded for salvage at sea under common law is based both on equitable principles and public policy and is not contractual in origin. Historically, salvage is a right in law, when a person, acting as a volunteer (that is, without any pre-existing contractual or other legal duty so to act) preserves or contributes so to preserving at sea any vessel, cargo, freight, or other recognized subject of salvage from danger. This is the typical case of salvage and is distinct from Prize law, which is the rescuing of property from the enemy at a time of war, for which a reward is made by the Court of Admiralty sitting as a Prize Court.

The law seeks to do what is fair to both the property owners and the salvors. The right to salvage may not necessarily arise out of an actual contract but is a legal liability arising out of the fact that property has been recovered. The property owner who had benefit of the salvor's efforts must make remuneration, regardless of whether he had formed a contract or not. The assumption here is that when faced with the loss of his vessel and cargo, a reasonable prudent owner would have accepted salvage terms offered, even if time did not permit such negotiations.

ALL i can say is that the insurance company, boat manufacture and the commercial vessel are working together.. Their is a common interest to recover the boat in one piece.

As for the helo ride. when have only one operational engine and no steering it becomes hard to control a boat in 18' seas..

TX H210SS · **Joined:** Thu May 27, 2010 9:10 am **Posts:** 1488

Yeah I get the finders keepers concept, but say I recover the 5.5 million vessel on open sea...I recon I may want to keep it or sell it for market value.

Question is...does the insurance company pay the owner the full agreed value of vessel? .....and does the rescued get a coast guard bill? Life Flight and Med Flight bill just like Ambulance service. CG flies out to cruise ship for medical transport....who pays? Cruise line, patient or nobody but taxpayers?

As for FW, yes I was pulling for him. I wasn't hoping he would fail and don't hope that for anyone. I get that he was not realistic, it wasn't the most beautiful thing afloat and all that. I never heard he stole anything or owed people to build it that didn't get paid. Was he wrong......obviously.....but no more wrong than someone setting out on a new million dollar yacht in conditions they aren't able to manage. I recon it comes down to relying on yourself and knowing your limitations. If there was no coast guard there may be fewer folks relying on them if that makes sense. I don't boat at night or if bad weather....Ive done both and neither I nor my boat are setup for it.

fi.na.tine · **Posted:** Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:21 pm

Taxpayer pays.

HOWEVER - there was some talk about criminal persecution for some individuals at one time.

As far as insurance, I do not know how maritime law would factor in. I know once insurance signs off - it is their property. There might be a legal fight in there as well.

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