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Special metals? You mean steel? Aluminum? Correct rubber blends?

Yes ric there is more than one grade of aluminum and stainless steel. Why do you think that GM Ford ChryCo et all tell you 10% is OK but the flex fuel model is more expensive and uses a lot of different parts? Its not the same and if you tried it you'd find out the hard way. Boating in salt water and driving on salted roads in the winter has taught me that you use the right material for the conditions or else....

Ethanol was the first automotive fuel used over 100 years ago. Alcohol based fuels are used in many forms of racing. Virtually every car in South America runs on pure ethanol. (not Pure Ethanol ric its E-85) Personally I don't care if my engine runs of peanut butter. I know well enough to not blame poor owner maintenance on the fuel the engine runs on. There's nothing wrong with ethanol based fuels, it's been around as long as the internal combustion engine.

Author:	taz42169 [ Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:28 am ]
Post subject:	Ethanol repeal
Started a "We the People" petition to repeal ethanol. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... l/JqnqrT1p Please pass it along....

Author:	Winter Sux [ Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:40 am ]
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Good going Taz. I'd like to add to it but being Canadian might void the petition.

Author:	theboatguy [ Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:15 am ]
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Signed! Also, reposted to Reddit /r/boating

Author:	LouC [ Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:20 am ]
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I did that through Boat US a few years ago and it helped stop the fools from pushing through E15 but if you are in an area where it's mandated to reduce pollution like us lots a luck. The EPA can do whatever they want. My position on this then is to stick with technology that can tolerate E10. As in, carbs that can be rebuilt cheaply and reliable mechanical fuel pumps. Imagine this wonderful device, the carburetor, that you can tune and set up the way you want. Take that, EPA!!! I have no need at all for FI on a boat. None. No advantage to me and many disadvantages like $700 fuel pumps and wasted time. If you can't start a carbed engine go back to auto shop 101. You have a lawnmower, yes, you have a weedwacker, yes well its the same damn thing. I am not buying either a FI+cat converter I/O or a new fangled OB. OB well I don't know but some (google Yamaha VST) have a lot of trouble with E10. Only ones i might consider are the last of the carbed John/Rudes, (Ocean Pro) or a Yam OX 66. Simple machines with carbs that can be taken apart, rebuilt and run again. No electronic mystery boxes no corroded connectors causing running issues in salt air. So, EPA, your wonderful policy backfired with this ole school backyard mechanic. I ain't havin the un workable new tech crap in my driveway. I'll think of how the for the people part works (NOT) when I set my fuel mixture JUST HOW I LIKE IT, EPA......

Author:	ric [ Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:25 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Ethanol repeal
I find no reason to repeal it. I wish there was E85 close to my house I'd convert the boat to that. There's absolutely nothing wrong with ethanol based fuels. It's just the modern scapegoat for poor maintenance. AND, this is coming from someone who's boat is currently having issues because of E10 but not because the fuel is bad. I'm having issues with E10 because the person who previously owned my boat used non ethanol gasoline and let it sit around coating everything with varnish, which E10 cleans, causing things to get clogged. So is E10 a bad fuel? No way. The fuel that is causing me issues was the old non ethanol gasoline the previous owner used.

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Author:	RotaryRacer [ Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:29 am ]
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So, ric thinks its a good idea to use food for fuel and let the government heavily subsidize the industry and force the fuel producers to use it.

Author:	LouC [ Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:36 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Ethanol repeal
When GM Ford or ChryCo builds a flex fuel vehicle the have to use special corrosion resistant metal lines and other parts. Where are you getting that ric?

Author:	noexcuses [ Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:37 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Ethanol repeal
How is it poor maintenance when it comes to material incompatibilities? My boat is used every single weekend in the summer and I use stabilizer in the winter, my gas does not sit for very long at all. This problem with Volvo fuel pumps and paint peeling cost me a couple of grand. Ethanol in fuel is nothing more than politics.

Author:	taz42169 [ Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:43 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Ethanol repeal
OK Ric, I used to think people on the forum just picked on you...but you do it to yourself dude! Fact: Fuel delivery company from Pennsylvania delivers NON-ETHANOL FUEL to the Coast Guard Station in Cape May NJ because you can't get non-ethanol fuel in NJ. They do not and will not run their boats with fuel containing ethanol. So, they pay, on average, an extra $400 per delivery to have the fuel trucked in from Pa. Now I say to you, why do you think they do that? It isnt' because enthanol is an awesome additive. It's just a money making scheme to grow corn! You may be asking yourself (Ric), how do I know what they pay. A guy on my dock is the family that owns the fueling company that delivers the fuel to the CG Station. We all bitch about the fact they don't use it but we're all forced to. If we could only get his fuel delivery truck close.....

Author:	ric [ Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:49 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Ethanol repeal
Special metals? You mean steel? Aluminum? Correct rubber blends? Volvo Penta painting the inside of their fuel pumps isn't a fuel problem. That's just idiotic. Nobody in their right mind in the history of fuel systems paints the insides. It's going to flake off. Ethanol was the first automotive fuel used over 100 years ago. Alcohol based fuels are used in many forms of racing. Virtually every car in South America runs on pure ethanol. Personally I don't care if my engine runs of peanut butter. I know well enough to not blame poor owner maintenance on the fuel the engine runs on. There's nothing wrong with ethanol based fuels, it's been around as long as the internal combustion engine.

Author:	taz42169 [ Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:53 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Ethanol repeal
It may soon be running on peaunt butter there Skippy!

Author:	LouC [ Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:56 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Ethanol repeal
ric wrote: Special metals? You mean steel? Aluminum? Correct rubber blends? Yes ric there is more than one grade of aluminum and stainless steel. Why do you think that GM Ford ChryCo et all tell you 10% is OK but the flex fuel model is more expensive and uses a lot of different parts? Its not the same and if you tried it you'd find out the hard way. Boating in salt water and driving on salted roads in the winter has taught me that you use the right material for the conditions or else.... Ethanol was the first automotive fuel used over 100 years ago. Alcohol based fuels are used in many forms of racing. Virtually every car in South America runs on pure ethanol. (not Pure Ethanol ric its E-85) Personally I don't care if my engine runs of peanut butter. I know well enough to not blame poor owner maintenance on the fuel the engine runs on. There's nothing wrong with ethanol based fuels, it's been around as long as the internal combustion engine. Yes and why don't you go and research what the auto companies do to make their vehicles run RELIABLY on E-85? If it was that easy do you think the auto companies, who will risk their reputation to save 25 cents would spec out different materials? They do because they have to. You got a lot to learn, and I'd hate to see you get schooled by having a massive fuel leak in the bilge.

Author:	ric [ Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:06 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Ethanol repeal
I grew up from the age of 12 to 21 using alcohol based fuels (I raced professionally in WKA). I know exactly what it does. Go buy some Gate's Barricade Fuel Line to replace any rubber you might have and you're fine.

Author:	LouC [ Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:18 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Ethanol repeal
ric wrote: I grew up from the age of 12 to 21 using alcohol based fuels (I raced professionally in WKA). I know exactly what it does. Go buy some Gate's Barricade Fuel Line to replace any rubber you might have and you're fine. What about the metal lines ric? the ones on the karts were probably chosen with the knowledge that they were using alcohol fuels from the get go. You have an aluminum tank, steel lines, steel fuel filter, and aluminum carb body. If the auto makers and boat sellers felt that they could brag about flex fuel capability with no cost to them they'd do it in a heartbeat. The fact that they don't tells you something. I don't think I am smarter than those engineers do you?

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Author:	230 Mike [ Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:25 pm ]
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LouC wrote: I don't think I am smarter than those engineers do you? He does. But someone up above nailed it on the head. EPA is going to do whatever EPA wants to do based on the political winds that are currently blowing hard. And they don't give two sh*ts what you, or I, or anyone else, thinks about it. Start all the petitions you want (and don't get me wrong, I applaud them) - they aren't going to make a whit of difference as long as they are out of control and given free rein by the whole environut whack jobs currently running the world.