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Author: | Paradise [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Boat Values |
So I was working today and reading about the JP Morgan and Bear Stearns buyout and it got me thinking. How much do you think our current financial industry crisis will have on our boat values?...especially for those of us that bought in the last 2 or 3 years and still have tons of depreciation left in our boats. It seems to me that a lack of boat financing available to the general public is going to reduce the amount of qualified buyers and therefore decrease demand. If we were forced to sell today, how big of a hit do you think we would have to take?? |
Author: | 230 Mike [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Boat Values |
Given the fact that boats depreciate at about $1,000 per day when times are good ![]() You can also look at it from this viewpoint: there will be people who cannot swing financing on a new boat, but can on a used boat. I honestly think gas prices are going to do far more to hurt boat demand than credit problems, especially for trailer boats. |
Author: | Paradise [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Boat Values |
Mike, may I agree to disagree?!?! Until recently many banks were financing "subprime" type boat loans which allowed these ppl who couldnt afford a boat to get one often amortized up to 15 years with low to no down payments. Now that most banks have tightened their credit requirements or exited the business all together I would think it has omitted many potential buyers. And in turn given qualified buyers extra leverage. And just becasue I dont know...how are buyers more likely to get a used boat loan over a new one? lower loan amounts?? lower loan to value?? Doesnt make sense to me since like you said boats depreciate fast as hell. |
Author: | 230 Mike [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Boat Values |
Yes, part of what I'm saying is that due to the awful depreciation (I try not to think about it), the loan value on used boats, in theory, should be significantly lower and/or not as much need for the 15 year loan. Also, while credit is very tight compared to what it was a short time ago, it's not gone. I have no doubt that a well qualified buyer can still even get 15 years if they want it. Maybe not from the first bank they go to. I'll go out on a limb and say that if they aren't well qualified, they shouldn't be buying a boat and it's not doing the economy or the manufacturers any good in the long run to finance them - any more than it was a good idea to finance a $500K house for someone with a $60K annual household income. It shouldn't have ever gotten started, and I said so throughout. I can see lots of people saying, "We can't afford the brand-new boat between the tight credit and the fact that it's going to cost a fortune to put gas in it and tow it, but if we buy a boat that's four years old, we can get the same model for $12-15K less, get easier financing and use some of the savings for gas." The logic may or may not be completely sound, but I can see people following that line. As for the manufacturers, I think it'll be a mixed bag. The ones that haven't been doing well in recent years may not make it much longer in this environment; VIP just announced they're closing their doors. This is actually a time when I can see FW doing better than most, although I don't expect it to be easy for any of them. The current FW product line is able to fulfill demand with a very high quality product at almost every price point in the market. So if you'd like to have a 220 but your wallet (and your bank) say you need to stick with a 180 for now, you can get one for a reasonable price and still know you've got a very nice boat to play with. Maybe you need to stick with a 2 or 3 year old 180. Still a great boat, if you can find one well taken care of - which shouldn't be too hard. If you play at the 458 level, you know you're in one of the nicest boats made in that size. And whatever you want or can afford in between. I'm not trying to sound like a FW commercial, I just think it bodes well when compared to, say, VIP, who had a reputation (at least) for building cheap boats cheaply (whether that's actually the case or not), and that was it - take it or leave it. I could also be utterly, totally wrong, and I'll be the first to admit it if that's the case. I spend a lot more time thinking about boating and taking care of boats than paying for boats, as I find that to be a very depressing thing to think about ![]() ![]() |
Author: | cougarcruiser [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Boat Values |
I tend to look at a boat manufacturer with a "spread the love" viewpoint. If a boat builder produces models across a wide range of prices - I think they will stay afload no problem. This would definitely be the Four Winns, Sea Ray, etc. I think Cobalt is in for a smack in the face... Formula probably even bigger. However - even with todays financial woes - the people buying these boats tend to be above the "barely able to qualify" line. I do think gas is going to impact the industry. Our lakes will probably be less crowded during off holiday times -- which is a big bonus for those of us who have planned and budgeted appropriately to enjoy our season on the boat. I, for one, have a gas fund set aside... so even if prices go up -- maybe it only costs me an extra 200-00 bucks for the season... I can absorb that. But the costs for trailering around -- 8mpg on a hour drive to the local resort for the weekend -- that's going to hurt a bit. As for used boat prices... the hit will be 2 fold. I see alot of lightly used boats hitting the market within the next 2-3 years as people balance their financial issues. That will lower used boat prices. I see manufacturers not going through the 3 to 5 percent price increases every year for the next few years, so that will also drop our used values a bit. On the bright side, we should have a strong used boat market going forward with people downsizing. |
Author: | Paradise [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Boat Values |
All great points...I never really thought of the gas issue becasue like you guys mentioned earlier that if you own a boat you can probably afford it and all that comes with it. On top of that, I have my choice of 2 lakes within a 15 minute drive of my home, 3 more within 30 minutes, and like 7 more within an hour and a half so trailering is never really a big deal. Plus I make all my friends fill the tank and buy the beer. It works out pretty good ![]() |
Author: | Architectdave [ Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Boat Values |
I visited the boat show this past couple of weeks and my dealer was offering almost identical loans as last year when I bought my boat. Intrest was pretty close too.... Seems the boat market is stable.... |
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