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Author:  230 Mike [ Tue May 27, 2008 11:02 pm ]
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When I graduated from college in 1985, it happened that a fraternity brother of mine (who, BTW, was Mr. Kansas that same year) had recently become very religious and decided to divest himself of virtually all his earthly belongings. Among them was a kick-butt Sansui 160W receiver and (among other things) a pair of Bose 901 Series IV speakers with equalizer. He had bought this system in Guam while in the Marines between high school and college. It was a system that produced sound like I'd never heard in my life and at a volume I'd never heard in my life ;) . On Friday afternoons this system provided the musical entertainment for pretty much the entire campus from the front windows of our house 8) . The receiver was built in 1980 and weighs around 50 lbs, all solid state but with seriously heavy duty discrete components, separate amp driver boards for each channel, 8 high-output final transistors mated to HUGE heat sinks, etc. To get modern "BPC" (black plastic crap) components that can hold a candle to this, you have to spend BIG money.

So, he really wanted to get rid of it all and you know, you have to help out a brother. So I bought the whole thing. Now I realize you audio types started rolling your eyes as soon as you saw the word "Bose." They've made a lot of over-marketed, over-hyped stuff and a lot of it is just crap. However - the 901's, for anyone who isn't too much of a snob to admit it, is among the best speaker systems ever built for the home market, when they are properly positioned, equalized, and driven. I love the power limitation statement on the 901 specifications: "Unlimited, in non-commercial applications." 8)

Fast forward to about a year ago. After several years of "fraternity use" and over 20 more years of family use and just plain age, the foam surrounds on all 18 of the speaker drivers had rotted and failed. You can see it if you look around the perimeter of the blue cones, after removing the covers:

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I bought a set of new foam surrounds, removed all 18 drivers, and set myself to the task of carefully scraping and removing the remnants of the original foam & glue, then installing the new foam and realigning each cone one at a time. I expected this to be a monumental task going in, and I grossly underestimated it.

Along the way I pulled out all the corroding connection hardware and replaced it all with new stainless.

Before reinstalling the drivers back into their cabinets, I soldered leads onto them in order to make the job a little easier. I used heat sinks on the connectors so that I wouldn't damage the composite driver frames.

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While this was going on, I took the opportunity to lightly sand the walnut veneer cabinets, and apply 2 coats of Watco natural oil (basically boiled linseed oil).

And, I took the time to disassemble and check the equalizer, and it's a good thing, it was in BAD shape. Of the 10 electrolytic capacitors on the board, one of them had leaked and a couple of others were getting pretty far out of spec.

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Worse yet, one of the audio connector joints on the board had broken somewhere along the way.

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I removed that connector entirely, cleaned up all three contacts, and reinstalled. I did all the solder work with a Hakko 936ESD temperature controlled station, and Multicore 63/37 RA solder, .022" diameter.

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Here it is with all new Nichicon caps, repaired connector, all connectors polished, Do-Oxit applied to both sliders, and a new cord:

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And, the finished EQ with a couple coats of Watco on the walnut cabinet, ready for another 30 years of enjoyment:

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Author:  chrisvs [ Wed May 28, 2008 7:10 am ]
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Cool Mike, I love quality classic audio!

I am still running my old NAD 7240PE stereo reciever at home, and have sofar refused to give it up for any newer suround components.

Like the old saying goes, "they just don't build 'em like that anymore...."

Author:  Blessed [ Wed May 28, 2008 7:48 am ]
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:shock: Wow. Pretty intense you can do electronic work at the manufacturing level, and replacing that many foams . . . Do you need a permit to run those speakers?
Hmm, I have some old Sansui gear mothballed in the back of my garage. It belonged to my parents - probably 25 years old but was top of the line back then. Weighs a ton. I have been meaning to get the turntable out and overhauled to go back to some old vinyl, just assumed that I wouldn't be able to get decent parts if I needed them but honestly never really looked to see if I needed any. Wish I had that mother of a reel to reel.

Author:  St. Louis Dave [ Wed May 28, 2008 9:25 am ]
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Great work! Those are beautiful speakers from a time when Bose was still producing quality product. You have a nice "investment" on your hands there.

I'm a big old school Klipsch fan. I've been running Klipschs for a long time and love the horn sound they produce. There are a lot of old quality units out there. Nice to see them back in use.

Author:  230 Mike [ Wed May 28, 2008 10:20 am ]
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Thanks! It's nice to see there's still some appreciation for some of the old school gear. Blessed, you really ought to dig that old receiver out. If you need someone to work it over, I can hook you up with one of the top vintage Sansui techs in the U.S. He's here in Kansas City and I ran into him purely by chance.

What's amazing is how much of this old gear is available on ebay - for cheap - and with a little work, or sometimes no work at all, you can have sound that won't quit.

This system also included a Technics SL-Q3 turntable which is also still as-new in the original box, but I don't have much in the way of vinyl. I like CD's :) .

Author:  Cap'n Morgan [ Wed May 28, 2008 10:43 am ]
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Nice work Mike! I had a vintage Kenwood KR-1000 receiver that my wife bought in Korea when she was in the Army, along with some Pioneer loudspeakers. The speakers still are being used. Check out this beast of a receiver. It was awesome sounding. http://www.electricalhobby.com/monsterreceiversite/unit_pages/KenwoodKR1000.htm
The woofers died, so I went the easy route and replaced them with MTX 12" woofers. The mid range and tweeter are original and still work. The receiver was donated to a local school that re furbished it for a class project , and use it in the Band room.

I have a pair of Baby Advent II speakers that the surrounds have cracked, and are no longer useable. I can't find replacement speakers for them, thought about getting them re-coned.
Nobody local does it anymore. Maybe someday I will get them fixed, somewhere. They are little speakers with big, accurate sound for their size. I miss them.

Author:  230 Mike [ Wed May 28, 2008 10:51 am ]
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Awesome photo Cap'n!! The Sansui G-9000 in that pic is the VERY close relative of mine, the G-8700DB.

These things are worth hanging onto and restoring, as are many of the speakers of that era!

I'm PM'ing you about a possible source for speaker surrounds.

Author:  230 Mike [ Wed May 28, 2008 11:08 am ]
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chrisvs wrote:
Like the old saying goes, "they just don't build 'em like that anymore...."


You are SOOOO right.

Author:  Cap'n Morgan [ Wed May 28, 2008 12:11 pm ]
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chrisvs wrote:
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Like the old saying goes, "they just don't build 'em like that anymore...."


Reminds me of Raquel Welch & Ann Margaret . :shock: :lol:

Author:  230 Mike [ Thu May 29, 2008 1:37 am ]
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Update --

I got the speakers back together this afternoon and the whole system put back together tonight. I think the admiral is happy to have her "workbench" back. :wink:

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HOLY COW. :shock: :shock: Here's the big lesson I learned: audio systems don't fall apart all at once; it's subtle and can take years to happen. I could not believe my ears and could not bring myself to turn it off. I popped in my Pat Metheny Speaking of Now Live DVD for testing purposes 8) . Did I say HOLY COW? I'd hate to guess how many years it's been since this thing sounded like this.

Here's the receiver:

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If anyone wants to take a relatively modest amount of money and take up a project like this, I cannot urge you strongly enough to DO IT!

Thanks for your indulgence, and interest.

Author:  Blessed [ Thu May 29, 2008 7:29 am ]
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Holy, that looks just like my reciever. I think mine is a 9090 from '80 for some reason. Seems to me there was an issue with the volume knob always being dirty - you know crackly when you turn it up or down.
I saw the box for the Turntable in the garage last night; it is a Sansui SR929. I think they are all that remains of the system. Got to dig them out and assess. I need to find a set of speakers like those Bose (kick @$$ by the way) to go with the kit.
I have become so accustomed to the digital era, I bet I would be surprised how good some of the retro kit would sound. :)

Author:  St. Louis Dave [ Thu May 29, 2008 9:33 am ]
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Nice job Mike. Hook up your turntable and really enjoy the old school (or is that skool now) analog sound. Nothing better than the hum of vinyl on a quality system.

Author:  scottmph [ Thu May 29, 2008 9:44 am ]
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Old stuff... old guy

Sorry Mike but you make it so easy :wink:

Author:  230 Mike [ Thu May 29, 2008 10:48 am ]
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I should've said, this makes a great WINTER project. I do not recommend starting it at the time of year when you're supposed to be getting boat ready for the season :roll: .

Blessed, that noisy volume problem is almost universal, but believe it or not it can almost always be fixed. The "pots" (short for potentiometer) used in the volume and other controls are an electromechanical device that gets dust inside and the contact surfaces oxidize. That's why they came out with products like DeOxit, to fix problems exactly like that. Almost every control on this receiver was making noise, some of them to the point where you'd swear that whole unit was toast. They're now completely silent again. The 9000 and 9090 were very close relatives of the 8700 and were built during the same time frame. Mine was built in '80 also. One of them (can't remember which) only used 4 final power transistors whereas the other two units used 8. In any case - GET THAT THING OUT!

Dave, one thing has always been true of turntables, and still is - there's no room for them!

WTS, take your shots while you can :twisted: :mrgreen: .

Author:  St. Louis Dave [ Thu May 29, 2008 11:52 am ]
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There is ALWAYS room for toys. Just move one of the admirals nicknacks and you will be all set. You don't need the kids pix displayed, but a turntable there.

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