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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:56 pm 
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Hello everyone. I have been away from the forum for a long long time. But as life has slowed down a bit, and I am getting that winter boater itch, I figured I would see what's up. My wife and I are moving our boat up to Michigan City's Washington Park Marina. Any Four Winns owners up there or in the general vacinity?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:32 am 
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I knew there are a few of us north of you by a little in Holland/Grand Haven/Muskegon but do not know anyone down you way. I have boated quite a bit down there and you should enjoy it.

I grew up in West Lafayette by the way.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:46 am 
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So does that make you a Boilermaker Fan? We are looking forward to Michigan City alot. We had a disasterous experience at a marina on Lake Monroe in Bloomington, IN last year (not to mention the ungodly IU fans). With enough complaining to the mgmt, we were able to make the best of it and made some great friends down there that we will miss dearly. It will be nice to be at a marina with other "boaters" and not just with people who own boats. I am sure there will still be a fair share of jackasses at the docks, but not nearly to the degree of the lake we were at last year. We will most definately be cruising up to Muskegon and Grand Haven this summer. We actually purchased our boat a couple years ago from North Shore Marine in Grand Haven. Great People.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:52 am 
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Well I am not a huge Boilermaker fan. Was born here in Michigan and the Wolverines are my team. My stepdad was a department head at Purdue an we had season tickets to both football and basketball...so they still hold a special place in my heart. I root for them as long as they are not playing Michigan.

You are still going to run into people that own boats on the Great Lakes...but you will have a lot more boaters than you will down where you were. Let us know when you plan to make the cruise up. Maybe we can have a FW get-together. I will ave to jump on Capn Morgan's boat since mine will be mothballed this summer.

Mind if I ask what happened last summer at your marina on Monroe?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:38 pm 
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I don't even know where to start about last season. My wife and I had boated on this lake numerous time prior to deciding to rent a slip there. Everything was wonderful. It is (was) a beautiful place. The place is called Four Winds Resort and Marina (Ironic I know). To rent a 30' covered slip with a 4' patio insert into the slip was $4,800. Plus we had to pay our own electric. Water was provided. You could keep your boat in the water year round because they would bubble the slips in the winter. We always pull ours out because we can.

Although pricey, wy wife and I figured to try it out for a year, and besides, we had a great time down there prior to last season and had a couple friends down there allready. Now, the owner of the resort and marina owns several other marina's around the country. In the fall of 2007, they decided to shut down the hotel because it needed a lot of renovaitons to modernize it and they put the whole place up for sale. A group of buyers went in to buy the place for about 25 million if I am not mistaken. When closing approached in the spring of 2008, it was discovered that there were several leins against the property from the previous owner and closing could not take place until those issues were resolved. Being between two different owners, the managment of the marina was not allowed to spend any money. The landscaping went to crap, the pool at the hotel remained closed, there was no dock security (which was our biggest issue), and they never installed our patio into our slip. Once they got the lein situation cleared up and went back to the closing table, the last issue that needed to taken care of was the lease from the Department of Natural Resources. Well, one of the owners had a bankruptcy in the past and the state wouldn't approve a new lease for them. So the resort reverted back to the old owner. A mess I know. So the marina remained in a holding pattern for the whole season. Well, between when they tried to close the first time (before the liens were discovered) and the second time (when the lease was rejected by the state), the new owners took out a huge loan to begin the rennovations on the hotel, restaurant, bar, and pool. When the closing fell through, all hell broke loose. Now the whole damn place is tied up in a legal mess in court.

So we put our boat in on Mothers day last year in May. Well, lucky for us, we were slipped next to a former stripper and a guy who owned a body shop. Sounds lovely right? WRONG!!! These people would go out on the water and get so damn drunk that he would pass out and she would have to dock the boat. She had no idea what she was doing. I saw her ram into the boat on the other side of them, bust their bimini frame into a million pieces, and crack the dock, and that was just the first time it happend. They would stay up till 3:00 am with their music so loud that I could hear it and feel it over the air conditioning unit. We would come down to our slip to find urine stains on the side of our boat and cigarette ashes on our swim platform. All of this was a product of no dock security. We kept our boat there for about 6 weeks dealing with the redneck hillbillies next to us. I finally told the lease manager that if she didn't move us, I was pulling my boat out and she could sue me for the other half of the slip rental. She ended up moving us over to the next dock over which had 50' slips and 16' widths. (you can imagine what my 248 Vista looked like in a slip that big. Pretty comical). The slip she put us in had an 8' x16' patio which gave us so much more room to spread out. The company on that dock was so much better as well. One of my commercial insurance clients had a boat that was just 2 slips down so the rest of the season ended on a high note, but just putting up with all the bull for what we were paying just wasn't worth it. People were firing gas grills on the covered dock. Boaters were having stuff constantly stolen out of their boats. It was just a horrible mess. I almost forgot that they charged $100 extra to have access to the bath house, they had 2 pumpouts for 900 boats, and gas was over $5.00 a gallon when gas on the street was only $3.50. They have a monopoly for large boat boating in central Indiana and they know it.

So this year, we signed a lease on a 35' slip in Michigan City for $2,400 and that includes electric. The boat services (maintenance, repair, and winterization) are much more reasonable because of competition. The marina is very well run as we have rented a slip there for the weekend in the past. That is why we are excited to be at a true marina this season. I hope I get a chance to boat with some of you.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:13 pm 
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Wow...sounds like you need a good experience. But from what you had to deal with last year...I am sure anything will seem like an improvement. Yeah...we have docked on occasion next to the Redneck Yacht Club. I am sure you got the same response I did when you asked them to turn down the music.

Me "Hey guys...mind turning the music down, wife and I are trying to get some sleep?"
Them "F*** off...f****** idiot" :evil: :evil: :evil:

Took every bit of common sense I had to to jab them in the grill with my boat hook. Or send a signal flare into their cabin :twisted:.

Sorry you had to deal with that. It will be better this summer and a lot less cost for you as well. Much better boating waters as well.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:18 pm 
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Can't say I'm to surprised, I've heard a lot of negative about Four Winds Marina. We don't deal with any marina's down at Lake Monroe, we just launch a DNR ramp and spend the night at anchor. Maybe we'll see you up on Lake Michigan sometime if we ever trailer up there.

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