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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:02 am 
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GalacticWaterman wrote:
Thanks everyone for replies and all the good info.
Couple notes.
It's probably helpful for newbies like me to keep the discussion as specific to the OP's engine as possible.
There are most likely some differences between the 3.0L and 5.7L engines.
The differences is that the V6/8s have drain plugs on each side of the engine, the 4 cyl I am not sure about, it may have only one...
The V engines also have 2 exhaust manifolds each one has to get drained.

Both have raw water intake hoses that should be drained and the big hose on the front water pump needs to be drained on the bottom end for both.
For example the one I have has the single point draining system (just houses attached to drains at the bottom side of the engine) but I didn't notice any other draining plugs etc.
Get a hold of a manual if you don't have one to make SURE....
I don't know for sure how the single point drain is set up, but there MUST be a drain on the exhaust manifold, it holds a LOT of water.
I didn't have time to find and check the water pump on my engine but am planning to do it in Spring.
Are you referring to the raw water impeller (Alpha drive, its in the drive lower unit, that one requires replacement about every 2-3 seasons) or the one on the front of the engine, they last for 20+ years.

The thermostat housing does have a gasket which I had to scrape off.
Since I didn't have a replacement one, I didn't put one back in.
I assume it'll be ok without it for the Winter if the boat is not used.
Someone please remind me in Spring (March here) to install one before going out on the water :mrgreen:
Actually I plan to clean and sand down a bit the rust inside the thermostat housing since it's looking a bit rough on the inside and might impede flow.

Thanks again

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:04 am 
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OK...I went to Walmart along with 1 million other folks. I got 5 gallons of the pink RV/marine AF -50. Fyi..it does say corrosion protection, but doesn't say rust inhibitor. They don't carry the -100 here but it hasn't gotten to single digit temp here since I've been breathing.

I had already dumped the water so I removed top large circ pump hose from Therm housing and filled til it ran out of Therm housing....then removed each of the exhaust water hoses from Therm housing and filled them til AF ran out of those hoses and quickly reconnected them. There was a 4rh small hose at lowest point of Therm housing that I didn't mess with since I couldn't get to clamp and it was beneath level of Af I just put in.

Took 3 3/4 gallons but some spilled over into bilge. I assume this was correct way? My first redeo with AF in boat.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:38 am 
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Well the main thing is you got all the water out first. The engine you did fine. When you fill the manifolds, you disconnect the hose at the Thermo housing that goes to the manifold. You stick a funnel in the hose and hold the hose up. Then pour in AF till you hear it run out on the ground. This is why it's so important to use no tox AF. Next I would mark the hoses on your impeller housing. Disconnect the one that goes from the housing back to the transom mount (raw water intake hose). Hold it down to drain any water. Then do the same thing you did with the manifold hose, hold it up, and fill with a f till it runs out the drive water intakes. This pushes any water out of that hose and the p/s cooler on the rear of the engine. Re connect it. Last disconnect the hose from the impeller to the Thermo housing to drain any water. That should cover it.

Btw I like -100 because it stays liquid way down to -60. The -50 starts slushing up at about 10 but does not expand. If you can't find -100 next time get 2 gallons of Sierra PG no tox and mix it 50/50 with water. Same price and better.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:53 am 
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Thanks for the info - and yes the AF did run out of the drive onto the ground when filling manifolds.....a mess i had to clean up afterwards. I will do this outside next time, but the boat was already buttoned up and it's cold outside:)

Sure seems like a fill plug on top of the term housing would save a lot of pain in disconnecting all the hoses. just open one plug and pour it in!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:32 pm 
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Good idea but the Thermo itself is in the way of that working.
IMHO any inboard should be closed cooled, that would make the engine last longer and winterizing easier. My next engine will have a half system at least for sure.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:35 pm 
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Ponder this...if we inserted a coupler in one of the manifold supply hoses near the Therm housing. This coupler could have a hose bib type nozzle attachment...probably made of brass with removable cap.

We could screw on a hose and the other end could be sized to screw on to standard AF jug and have a vent to prevent a vacuum when pouring.

The AF would flow into all hoses we are pouring it into now...it would flower over the top of thermostat and into each hose. This would even allow to fill entire Therm housing opening. Is there something I'm overlooking?

If not, I will get the parts at the hardware store...it will need to be a stout connection, but there's no moving parts involved...just a removable cap.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:23 pm 
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It might work to fill the manifolds but to fill the engine I'm not sure it would work. I have a spare old Thermo housing in the boat and I'll bring it inside this week and take a look at it. The advantage of the old way is you know it's done right. Like the Merc single pt drain; sounds good, but with the rust you get in salt water, Id never trust it here. I feel better poking drain holes to make sure all the water is out and removing hoses to make sure everything is filled.
It's 10:21 pm in Long Island NY; the wind has been howling at 35-45 mph and it's 21 degrees. I can sleep well knowing all the water is out, and the engine and manifolds are full of -100 AF.

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