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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:30 pm 
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Your math is correct, and I find those charts to be pretty good, except that the "gallons per hour" is rounded to the nearest gallon. The mileage is poor at 2000 rpm because at 10mph, the boat is not on plane yet. You get good cruising performance at a low planning speed.

For your boat, you would get very good mileage (4+) at 23-30 mph, and not too much penalty to go up to about 33-34mph.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:42 pm 
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My 14.5-17 4blade pushes me nice. This Friday and weekend I plan to take down some new numbers to compare to the factory numbers

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:54 am 
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I think those fast facts are a bit optimistic.... :roll:

It suggests running a 21P prop my boat will achieve a 50-53 MPH top speed... So far I have tested with a 21P vengeance SS prop, WOT with 2 people, trimmed at any angle and barley crack 42mph at 4300rpm... it might crack 50mph down a waterfall but not on horizontal water..

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:56 am 
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meinmelb wrote:
I think those fast facts are a bit optimistic.... :roll:

It suggests running a 21P prop my boat will achieve a 50-53 MPH top speed... So far I have tested with a 21P vengeance SS prop, WOT with 2 people, trimmed at any angle and barley crack 42mph at 4300rpm... it might crack 50mph down a waterfall but not on horizontal water..

The fast facts are right on for my combination. Is yours a 3 blade prop? What diameter? Which engine do you have?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:58 am 
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PS great thread, loved reading it. Sound system looks awesome!!! Not my style as I don't even have a stereo on my boat but it must sound great... from a distance :D

MMM need to research marine stereo now :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:03 am 
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GottWhat wrote:
The fast facts are right on for my combination. Is yours a 3 blade prop? What diameter? Which engine do you have?

3 blade Mercury vengeance stainless steel prop, 14 1/4 diameter as per factory spec. Motor is Merc 4.3MPI rated at 220hp.

Hydrofoil might slow it down a bit, as may the tower, but 10mph and 700 rpm... not sure. my 17P 3 blade aluminium prop hits the rev limiter easily so looking at a 19P high five.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:40 am 
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meinmelb wrote:
I think those fast facts are a bit optimistic.... :roll:

It suggests running a 21P prop my boat will achieve a 50-53 MPH top speed... So far I have tested with a 21P vengeance SS prop, WOT with 2 people, trimmed at any angle and barley crack 42mph at 4300rpm... it might crack 50mph down a waterfall but not on horizontal water..




i think you need to try a different cup of prop. i have not heard good things about the vengeance as a performance prop. People often overlook the shape of the blades and assume that all 14.5-19 props are the same. And this is so wrong..

my little brother changed just from a progressive cup to a surface perching Klever blade and gained 8mph just with the prop in his boat.. now granted it is a 15' welded padded V hull aluminum boat (320# hull) race mod 65hp 2 stroke. but still to got from 45gps to 53gps simply by changing props. same dimensions but the blade style changed..

Props are a funny animal in the fact that no two boats are the same and you truly need to test out multiple props to dial in the correct one..

another thing you may want to look at is could your hull possibly be water logged? does it stay in the water all of the time? or has it in the past stayed in the water? this can lead to sitting water in the bilge and can waterloo the hull adding HUNDREDS of pounds and drastically slow down a boat..

i tell my customers you have 3 options to choose from but can only choose 2. Speed, Quality, cost... and this is true of most all products int he world.. you cannot have a torque prop that holds int he turns and a speed prop. They are 2 different animals.. Now you can have a prop that yields a balance of both and you can result in a middle ground.

I propped for thrust and not top speed are i cruise and tow. so i could care less if i run 43 or 60. yes i like to go fast but i also like to not take a half mile to get on plane or struggle when i have 5 people, coolers, and a dog on the boat to get out of the hole so i sacrifice the top speed.

Testing multiple props is key. i probably have 8 different spec props in my crawl space of my house and i know what ones are shit on the FW and that same one is gold on a Chaperell of my buddies and others that are Gold on buddies Baja but horrible on my boat.. but these 3 boats are all diff so i would expect the props to react differently.

GO try a few props and try a High five first before you drop $600 on a wild guess.

Brother tried about 15 surface race props before finding the right one for speed and rpm.. he is the undocumented fastest under 16 jon boat in the state. And that boat is soon to be headed to the machine shop for machines and flowed heads, cryo coated sleeved cylinders. bump the 65 up into the 70s hp area.. keep in mind this is a 15 inch big foot 2 stroke johnson registered as a 35. they never made this motor. we have combined 3 motors together to create what does not exist. Well i take that back in the 80s and 90s the race RIBs were doing similar but not quite the same..

88 upper housing, 90 45 block, 90s big foot lower, 80s 15" over midsection shortened 3", 75hp carbs. race fuel pump, tach, etc etc it is a 142# 15" 65hp (area has not been dyno tested at current state) tiller out board.. and if you do not know tiller outboards today in the 60-75hp area are 220-270# so think of the performance gains from the weight saved..

i am going off on a tangent but my point is each boat is different and needs a specific prop. try try try.. go to your local shop and use the test props until you find the correct prop for your application.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:06 am 
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GottWhat wrote:
meinmelb wrote:
I think those fast facts are a bit optimistic.... :roll:

It suggests running a 21P prop my boat will achieve a 50-53 MPH top speed... So far I have tested with a 21P vengeance SS prop, WOT with 2 people, trimmed at any angle and barley crack 42mph at 4300rpm... it might crack 50mph down a waterfall but not on horizontal water..

The fast facts are right on for my combination. Is yours a 3 blade prop? What diameter? Which engine do you have?

The fast facts are right on for me too. Mine predicts 45-47mph with a 19p prop. I get 46mph with my old 19p Michigan SST prop.

meinmelb: I would be concerned that you are not getting full power. Could be:
1. Improper ignition timing
2. The infamous "exhaust flapper issue"
3. Could be running on 5 cylinders instead of 6

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:11 am 
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i plan to compare the facts this weekend and i will chart and report results.. i am honestly excited to do this finally

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 2:00 am 
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i plan to compare the facts this weekend and i will chart and report results.. i am honestly excited to do this finally


Any results? I am keen to find out what figures you get. I am bitterly disappointed at the speed and power of my boat so I am keen to see how you go for comparison.

A 17P 3 blade prop on this boat is just about as quick as my old sea-ray180 with the 130hp 4 cyl but hits the rev limiter at about 38mph, the factory spec stainless prop (new) 21P 3 blade tops out at 43mph and 4300rpm - nowhere close to the Fast Facts..

Today I pulled the exhausts elbows to check the flappers and they are both fine. Pulled the bellows off and no restrictions looking both ways. Did a full service including all filters, plugs, plug leads, etc before the last test run. Fuel pressure is to spec and it runs smoothly, just under powered. I am heading out in a few weeks time for a weekend at the lake ( Eildon) and will be testing speed and power etc. If it's not right we may dump it and buy something else before summer...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 3:34 am 
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meinmelb wrote:
Jdpber wrote:
i plan to compare the facts this weekend and i will chart and report results.. i am honestly excited to do this finally


Any results? I am keen to find out what figures you get. I am bitterly disappointed at the speed and power of my boat so I am keen to see how you go for comparison.

A 17P 3 blade prop on this boat is just about as quick as my old sea-ray180 with the 130hp 4 cyl but hits the rev limiter at about 38mph, the factory spec stainless prop (new) 21P 3 blade tops out at 43mph and 4300rpm - nowhere close to the Fast Facts..

Today I pulled the exhausts elbows to check the flappers and they are both fine. Pulled the bellows off and no restrictions looking both ways. Did a full service including all filters, plugs, plug leads, etc before the last test run. Fuel pressure is to spec and it runs smoothly, just under powered. I am heading out in a few weeks time for a weekend at the lake ( Eildon) and will be testing speed and power etc. If it's not right we may dump it and buy something else before summer...


Hey Mark, have you considered a High 5 prop. One of the first things that I did to mine.......what a difference.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:03 am 
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No results YET. i just returned form a 2 week european vacation so hopefully this weekend i will get on the water. the past few times out it seems to always have something messing up my testing. Either i have the pregnant wife that cannot be banged all around or the water is ruff or i have buddies and booze and we cruise or too much boat traffic or i forget. Always something. It is raining most of this week. But i am planning to if i can't get it done this weekend that i will go to the landing next week on a week night and do some laps in the channel of the cove and log some good numbers.

In the end of the day the 4b crosses great in the 2500-2800rpm cruise speed 3200 is also a nice smooth sweat spot.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:17 am 
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I'm a newbie to this site and have read your thread pretty well as we just recently purchased our 1st boat, a 1993 Horizon 190 with the 5.0 EFI. We absolutely love the boat and hard to believe its 20 years old by the such great condition that it is in.

Last week at Dale Hollow Lake, TN I switched from a 3 blade SS 14.5x19 pitch Stiletto to a 4 blade SS 14.125x19 pitch OMC Renegade, ya I know that math on the pitch doesn't sound right but it really woke up the boat. My cruise rpms are up about 400 but the motor will now rev to 4600 with ease. Still tempted to try a 14.5x17 pitch 3 blade to see if I can get the inbetween of both these props.

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A 15 x 17 will probably put you where you want to be....

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LouC wrote:
A 15 x 17 will probably put you where you want to be....



who is this directed to?

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