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 Post subject: Re: Tow Vehicle
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:30 pm 
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Oh my God, how did I survive....
Learned how to drive on '70s American tanks, minimal safety features, no air bags, no abs, no auto four wheel drive, no stability control...Drove them on country roads in the suburbs, (winter = snow+ice) on the beat to all hell landscape of NYC (ie West Side Highway, FDR Drive, Major Degan Expway, etc)....
And, as a broke college student, drove something even much more dangerous, engineered not in the USA, but in Wolfsburg, yes the original rear engined air cooled VW Beetle, complete with swing axle rear suspension (used 'till 69 or so, and used by Porsche till '62, used by M-Benz and others..)
Next got a bit more cash, drove an '80 Honda Civic 1300 that weighted all of 1800 lbs, in and out of big bad NYC (Manhattan) without incident every summer for 4 years....
Drove a few more Japanese cars over the next 18 years, none of which had ABS...
Finally switched to Jeeps, which increased my real world safety factor in winter driving by 100 % compared to front drive....
My one concession to extra safety, is this: our most dangerous driving condition, is not caused by errant animals on the road (OK New York Taxi drivers might fit that description)...its snow and ice...so both Jeeps and the Subaru, are equipped with studded snow tires on steel rims each winter. No one else that I know does that but it is a meaningful increase in real world safety.

Interested parties might take a look at this:

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/ESV/esv16/98S2W35.PDF

An excerpt:

Performance in the “moose-test” with a given vehicle
is mainly determined by the individual steering behaviour
which is dependent on the driver’s capabilities and motivation.
Significant differences between groups of drivers
(motor journalists, expert drivers, normal drivers), high
variations within the groups and considerable intraindividual
variations lead to the conclusion that this manoeuvre
cannot be classified as an objective and reliable test
for the active safety of a car.





The “moose-test” is supposed to test the vehicle reactions
in an evasive manoeuvre caused by an obstacle
which suddenly appears in front I at the right hand side of
the vehicle. In earlier research work at Daimler-Benz
concerning driver behaviour in critical situations (driving
simulator and real vehicles, different kinds of obstacles,
different speeds from 60 -120 km/h), braking or braking
combined with steering were found as the most frequent
reaction. Drivers who tried to cope by steering produced
lower values for steering wheel angles and steering velocities
than those found in the “moose-test” (see e.g.
Zomotor, 1991). So it can be said that the test procedure
requires a driving behaviour which does not seem to be
typical for all drivers in critical situations.

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 Post subject: Re: Tow Vehicle
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:32 pm 
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I'm with you LouC.

I had a 1980 Toyota Landcruiser with oversizes wheels / tyres. It slid in the wet, had no ABS, shit brakes & steering, no airbags or any other safety features, yet I managed to regularly tow trailers way over its recommended limit.......and survived!!!!!!

I am more than happy to tow under the limit trailers regularly with my new Jeep Grand Cherokee. It has more airbags than needed, ABS, down hill decent control, self leveling rear end to keep the vehicle well balanced while towing, anti-sway control and whatever else I didn't mention.

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 Post subject: Re: Tow Vehicle
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:37 pm 
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ric wrote:
fi.na.tine wrote:
Max towing for an x5 is 5950 - the 248 weight is 5850 on paper. (5970 for some years)


Yep, perfect!


trailer, fuel, gear, big stereo, man makeup, and other personal items... Total weight 8,457lbs. Keep shopping.

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 Post subject: Re: Tow Vehicle
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:42 pm 
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How do the midsize pickups do as tow vehicles? (Toyota Tacoma etc)

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 Post subject: Re: Tow Vehicle
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:47 pm 
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fi.na.tine wrote:
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I know you said SUV, but have you sat in the backseat of a F150 Supercrew cab? I had a Ram 2500 Extended Cab and the Supercrew has so much more room. Screaming deals if you can find a leftover 2014 too....


They are screaming deals because of the factory defect on each one. It's hard to miss - it's the blue oval with the word "Ford" on it. Can't even bring myself to go near a Ford since the 6L fiasco.



I am on my second f-150, super crew, 6.5' bed, with Ecoboost . First was a 2012, that I put 100,000km on and is still in our Fleet. The Second is a 2014 that I picked up in January.

I love it. The Truck pulls my 268 better than I could have imagined. I towed my Doral at 5000 lbs plus trailer with both the 2012 Ford, and my 2011 Chev 2500 6.0 L gas job. The 2500 handled the trailer movement better, but as for pulling power... It's a toss up.

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 Post subject: Re: Tow Vehicle
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:46 pm 
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fi.na.tine wrote:
firecadet613 wrote:
I know you said SUV, but have you sat in the backseat of a F150 Supercrew cab? I had a Ram 2500 Extended Cab and the Supercrew has so much more room. Screaming deals if you can find a leftover 2014 too....


They are screaming deals because of the factory defect on each one. It's hard to miss - it's the blue oval with the word "Ford" on it. Can't even bring myself to go near a Ford since the 6L fiasco.


I've had two Hemi's, in a Durango and a Ram 2500. There's a reason the F-150 is the #1 vehicle. Ford builds a great truck. My brother has had 5 F-150s, replaces them every other year due to the miles he drives. I drive 35k a year, so I figure I'll replace this in 4 years or so.

*Screaming deals are due to over-production when they closed the plants to retool for the 2015. As nice as the 2015 is, I couldn't see paying near MSRP to 13,000 off MSRP.

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 Post subject: Re: Tow Vehicle
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:48 pm 
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alex8q4 wrote:
fi.na.tine wrote:
firecadet613 wrote:
I know you said SUV, but have you sat in the backseat of a F150 Supercrew cab? I had a Ram 2500 Extended Cab and the Supercrew has so much more room. Screaming deals if you can find a leftover 2014 too....


They are screaming deals because of the factory defect on each one. It's hard to miss - it's the blue oval with the word "Ford" on it. Can't even bring myself to go near a Ford since the 6L fiasco.



I am on my second f-150, super crew, 6.5' bed, with Ecoboost . First was a 2012, that I put 100,000km on and is still in our Fleet. The Second is a 2014 that I picked up in January.

I love it. The Truck pulls my 268 better than I could have imagined. I towed my Doral at 5000 lbs plus trailer with both the 2012 Ford, and my 2011 Chev 2500 6.0 L gas job. The 2500 handled the trailer movement better, but as for pulling power... It's a toss up.


Well Bliss36, guess I don't need to test my truck towing your boat. Sounds like it'll pull a 268 just fine!

I believe you Alex, this truck has some power. Supercrew, 5.5' bed and Ecoboost. I don't tow anymore and she barely fits in a parking space as is.

Back to your normally scheduled thread!

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 Post subject: Re: Tow Vehicle
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:33 am 
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jontmiller wrote:
How do the midsize pickups do as tow vehicles? (Toyota Tacoma etc)

I tow with a Nissan Frontier. It is awesome.

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 Post subject: Re: Tow Vehicle
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:12 am 
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alex8q4 wrote:
ric wrote:
fi.na.tine wrote:
Max towing for an x5 is 5950 - the 248 weight is 5850 on paper. (5970 for some years)


Yep, perfect!


trailer, fuel, gear, big stereo, man makeup, and other personal items... Total weight 8,457lbs. Keep shopping.

You can't be talking about the OP. He's towing a Horizon 190 :?:

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 Post subject: Re: Tow Vehicle
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 4:53 pm 
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No not referencing the OP's question...

Responding to the suggestion a BMW would haul a 248.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:05 pm 
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On topic....

I think the Honda Ridgeline would make a nice tow vehicle. I have a friend that hauled around his 26' Baja Outlaw with a Ridgeline. Although it was not legal, the vehicle did very well pulling that heavy boat.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:36 pm 
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Actually, I use a Honda Ridgeline and a Pilot with our H200. No problem with our boat but it's not that heavy either. The Ridgeline is advertised as a decent towing vehicle as long as you stay within the rating which is only 5,000 lbs (lower than many bigger trucks/SUV's I believe). Our H200 is under that with trailer.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:16 pm 
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fi.na.tine wrote:
Max towing for an x5 is 5950 - the 248 weight is 5850 on paper. (5970 for some years)

F15 X5 is rated to tow 3500 kg or 7700 lbs

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attach ... 1420167048

The E70 which I have was rated for 7200 lbs in Europe and 6000 lbs in North America (due to the crappy class III OE hitch).

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:31 pm 
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I bought a 30' Magic Tilt triple axle bunk trailer for my 298 Vista and I had a club member pull it out and park it at our gas dock so I could work on it. Once I have my boat ready to go back in the water, do you think my 2007 Nissan Titan 4x4 will be able to back it back down the ramp? The trailer is parked only a couple of hundred feet from the water and the boat weighs 10,000 lbs and the trailer weighs another 1,300 lbs. I would like to be able to pull my boat out every year and didn't want to keep bothering club members to do it with their big trucks. I know that I can't haul long distance with my Titan but didn't know if I could go a short distance. Thanks.

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I swapped from Ford to Ram after I got screwed with the miserable F250 6.0 and Ford refused to step up. I for one will never forget that. TWELVE THOUSAND AMERICAN DOLLARS for repairs in one year seemed excessive to me and they said I still needed another turbo. See it was my fault cuz I didn't know how to drive a diesel they said.

Their eco boost may be good but they will never see another dollar from me. That was my sixth Ford and in my biased opinion the Ram whips em on MPG, power and looks.

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