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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:00 am 
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My boat is on the DL for awhile. Wife and I took our parents out for a boat ride and dinner Thursday after work. Coming back, water was like glass, cruising through the channel in 20-25' water at normal cruising speed (3k rpm, roughly 30-35 mph). Didn't see the completely submerged tree floating just under the water until I was almost on top of it. I swerved the only direction available and thought I missed it for a second. But it was simply too long to avoid completely given the short reaction time. I heard a thump, thump and the boat came off plane and glided to a stop. Boat still running, but no forward or reverse, gauges all read normal. Raised the engine hatch, smelled gear oil but didn't see any more water in the bilge than normal. While assessing the situation and contemplating my next move, bilge pump kicked on. Turned engine off and heard water coming in behind the engine. Life jackets on everyone. Could still see the Keokuk Yacht Club where we had gone to eat. Called them and a group of patrons came out and towed us back in. Bilge pump outpaced the water coming in. Once we had the boat secured to the dock and everyone safely ashore, I jumped in to assess the damage. To my surprise, there was nothing left of my lower unit to assess. The lower unit is still on the bottom of the Mississippi somewhere (or wedged in the tree I hit).

I still can't believe it. I've boated this stretch of the river my entire life. My parents, who have been boating this stretch of the river since long before I was born, both were sitting in the bow facing forward watching where we were going. Water conditions were about as good as it gets for spotting debris on the river. None of us saw it. I've been in a lot riskier conditions in my boating career, and I happen to smoke a tree in near perfect boating conditions (or at least as close as you can get to perfect boating on the Mississippi). I guess chalk it up to pure dumb luck.

On the positive side:
1) Everyone is safe without so much as a scratch.
2) Boat itself survived and didn't sink. I sat there in amazement while waiting for my Dad to return from the marina I put in at with my truck/trailer simply watching my boat continue to float with water coming in like it was. That little bilge pump kept up a hell of a lot better than I thought it would in that type of scenario.
3) Insurance is paid up on the boat.
4) Mechanic said only damage is to the outdrive. Should be a simple swap of popping the old drive off (what's left of it) and sliding the new drive on. Given that, he said he could work it in as soon as I find a new outdrive. Hopefully that will be soon.

Here's the damage. Warning: pictures are graphic and may cause nausea to those with weak stomachs... :shock: :

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Finally, my many thanks to the fine folks at the Keokuk Yacht Club who came to our aid.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:31 am 
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Crazy!

Glad to hear everyone is ok.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:28 pm 
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My boat is on the DL for awhile. Wife and I took our parents out for a boat ride and dinner Thursday after work. Coming back, water was like glass, cruising through the channel in 20-25' water at normal cruising speed (3k rpm, roughly 30-35 mph). Didn't see the completely submerged tree floating just under the water until I was almost on top of it. I swerved the only direction available and thought I missed it for a second. But it was simply too long to avoid completely given the short reaction time. I heard a thump, thump and the boat came off plane and glided to a stop. Boat still running, but no forward or reverse, gauges all read normal. Raised the engine hatch, smelled gear oil but didn't see any more water in the bilge than normal. While assessing the situation and contemplating my next move, bilge pump kicked on. Turned engine off and heard water coming in behind the engine. Life jackets on everyone. Could still see the Keokuk Yacht Club where we had gone to eat. Called them and a group of patrons came out and towed us back in. Bilge pump outpaced the water coming in. Once we had the boat secured to the dock and everyone safely ashore, I jumped in to assess the damage. To my surprise, there was nothing left of my lower unit to assess. The lower unit is still on the bottom of the Mississippi somewhere (or wedged in the tree I hit).

I still can't believe it. I've boated this stretch of the river my entire life. My parents, who have been boating this stretch of the river since long before I was born, both were sitting in the bow facing forward watching where we were going. Water conditions were about as good as it gets for spotting debris on the river. None of us saw it. I've been in a lot riskier conditions in my boating career, and I happen to smoke a tree in near perfect boating conditions (or at least as close as you can get to perfect boating on the Mississippi). I guess chalk it up to pure dumb luck.

On the positive side:
1) Everyone is safe without so much as a scratch.
2) Boat itself survived and didn't sink. I sat there in amazement while waiting for my Dad to return from the marina I put in at with my truck/trailer simply watching my boat continue to float with water coming in like it was. That little bilge pump kept up a hell of a lot better than I thought it would in that type of scenario.
3) Insurance is paid up on the boat.
4) Mechanic said only damage is to the outdrive. Should be a simple swap of popping the old drive off (what's left of it) and sliding the new drive on. Given that, he said he could work it in as soon as I find a new outdrive. Hopefully that will be soon.

Here's the damage. Warning: pictures are graphic and may cause nausea to those with weak stomachs... :shock: :

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Finally, my many thanks to the fine folks at the Keokuk Yacht Club who came to our aid.


Glad you are all ok; that upper unit looks to be "trimmed up "by the impact a lot higher than they were designed to be !


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:33 pm 
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Do you have insurance?
I'd get someone to look at the rest of the transom assembly, the tilt n trim system and the fiberglass transom of the boat itself. If there is hidden damage you want it included in any repair estimate.
Since the upper gear housing is still attached to the transom mount, it makes me think if the boat took on water, something else is damaged. Its possible that the drive was forced up so high it pulled the driveshaft out of the coupler and the ujoint housing damaged the ujoint bellows. Take pix of the dis-assembly if you can. I'd also get inside the engine compartment with a bright LED flashlight and look for cracks on the inner transom wall near the inner transom plate.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:38 pm 
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Graham, I trimmed it up while being towed in not knowing that the lower half was gone. What you see is the full up position after the rams hit the stops. I believe the rams held in the down position on impact, because the lower unit appeared to raise normally based on sound and duration. Trim gauge was mucked up, but after 5 years of owning this boat, I'm pretty comfortable on raising and lowering the lower unit without relying on the gauge. I just left it as is after I pulled it out of the water.

Lou, insurance check cleared on 7/28/15 (normal due date). I've paid them what they've asked my entire boating career. Hopefully they come through for me in my time of need. Have you seen the price tag on one of these VP Duoprop drives? Those are scary numbers :shock:. Anyway, my agent (fellow boater) didn't seem to think there would be any issues.

Also, already had it to the mechanic. He's a certified boat mechanic that has earned my trust over the years. Although he hasn't pulled the old drive off yet, he was pretty confident that the drive took the brunt of the impact based on a thorough visual inspection. Not 100% sure yet, but hopefully that remains to be the case once he pulls the drive. Boat is still in my garage, so I'll be sure to check the trim before I meet the adjuster.

Thank you both for the insight.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:00 pm 
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As you said, could have been worse. I am happy no one was hurt. Hope they can get you fixed and back on the water ASAP!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:38 am 
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situations like this are why i always tell people to install over powered pumps. a strong pump is cheap insurance. strong pump with a large hose preferably larger than 1/2" and you can boat with peace of mind. the new 1100 gph pump i installed a few years ago may get a sister pump soon after seeing this thread.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:53 am 
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If you don't have the time to install a 2nd pump; get a 2000 gph pump with alligator clips and a bilge discharge hose; if you have an emergency you can drop that in the bilge and hook it up to your batts right quick and that will empty the bilge fast..

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:12 am 
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Glad to hear everyone is okay. Scary stuff there. Slightly submerged debris and logs are usually the unavoidable accidents. Hopefully the shop gets you back on the water soon.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:47 am 
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LouC wrote:
If you don't have the time to install a 2nd pump; get a 2000 gph pump with alligator clips and a bilge discharge hose; if you have an emergency you can drop that in thevbilge and hook it up to your batts right quick and that will empty the bilge fast..



GREAT IDEA FOR ALL


TIP: people remember when you turn the ASS end swings towards what you are avoiding.. EXAMPLE if you are colliding into a marker booie turn towards it and the ass will kick away and the object will come off of your hull instead of crashing down the entire side and or your drive contacting it.

TREES IN THE WATER are hard to avoid.. Just thought i would toss this out their.. Also works for crab traps and such to avoid lines entangling int he prop.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:18 am 
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Jdpber wrote:
LouC wrote:
If you don't have the time to install a 2nd pump; get a 2000 gph pump with alligator clips and a bilge discharge hose; if you have an emergency you can drop that in thevbilge and hook it up to your batts right quick and that will empty the bilge fast..



GREAT IDEA FOR ALL

I came up with this, after that little sob hose that goes from the inner transom mount to the P/S cooler decided to pop right off one day (2 seasons ago) and overheat the engine, and the Cobra impeller then filled the bilge with salt water !!!

I could not see where the water was coming in and the engine compartment was so hot there was no way I could check. I thought it was a bad bellows until the engine stalled from the heat and the water stopped coming in...then it all made sense. The 1100 Rule I always had with the Sure Bail auto switch pumped out the water pretty fast but you always should have a back up.

Note to OMC Cobra and the very similar Volvo SX owners...get a bright flashlight...make sure that your young un's ain't around for fear of the barrage of cuss words that might come out of your mouth and get a box end small wrench that fits on your hose clamps for that hose and tighten it good. Its on the back of the engine, in my boat I had to remove a piece of trim above the distributor and kind of work my way in there.


TIP: people remember when you turn the ASS end swings towards what you are avoiding.. EXAMPLE if you are colliding into a marker booie turn towards it and the ass will kick away and the object will come off of your hull instead of crashing down the entire side and or your drive contacting it.

Great reminder for all, boats steer from the back end lol...

TREES IN THE WATER are hard to avoid.. Just thought i would toss this out their.. Also works for crab traps and such to avoid lines entangling int he prop.



Well we have hazards here in salt water, but trees in the water wasn't one them, till Sandy hit...then it was telephone poles for a while...
We do have crab pots and there are some rocky areas here though....

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The scariest think I have seen floating about 6 inches below the water on Lake Michigan was a picnic table. People throw the picnic tables in the water off some of the parks for fun. Fun for them, but not for the boaters. I would hate to hit one of those, they would probably take a whole boat down with it.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:32 pm 
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Looks like the lower unit broke away exactly as it was designed to do in a collision. This saved the transom and the boat. I think you owe Volvo a letter of appreciation.

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ThaScoobs wrote:
The scariest think I have seen floating about 6 inches below the water on Lake Michigan was a picnic table. People throw the picnic tables in the water off some of the parks for fun. Fun for them, but not for the boaters. I would hate to hit one of those, they would probably take a whole boat down with it.

Yikes!
Found this gem a couple of weeks ago dead-heading in the water near our channel to Lake Michigan. Just happened to spot the tip of it in the glare off the surface of the water. We spent about 10 minutes getting it lassoed with a dock line and pulled into the boat. Had to weigh about 60-70 lbs. Hopefully we saved someone some heartache.
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ThaScoobs wrote:
The scariest think I have seen floating about 6 inches below the water on Lake Michigan was a picnic table. People throw the picnic tables in the water off some of the parks for fun. Fun for them, but not for the boaters. I would hate to hit one of those, they would probably take a whole boat down with it.


You think that was scary ? We narrowly missed a semi submerged 40' steel shipping container about 10 years ago ! It's only because there was a strange almost rectangular calm area of water in a chop that we saw it in time.


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