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Welcome! Great first post and pics!

We'll all be looking forward to following along with your progress, so please keep us posted with pics whenever possible. Be sure to check for rot in the floor, stringers, and transom, in addition to the easier/more visible places. That's going to be an awesome boat when it's done.

As to manuals - the problem with them is that none of them contain everything they should. Between Clymer and Seloc I recommend Seloc. I've got a set of factory manuals from Volvo and the Seloc, and often refer to both for a more complete picture of what's happening.

Brad
The boat will be a real pleasure to drive once you've fixed her all up. I bet a small block Chevy would fit real nice in that hole if you wanted to! Take your time and make sure all that you do to the boat is safe and reliable.

Keep us posted and feel free to ask away with any and all questions.. We have experts here on everything!

You can get tons of power from the 4.3. I've been impressed with some 3.0s in 18' hulls.
You're on the right track about the alpha drive's power handling. Also keep in mind that hull is probably rated for no more than 220hp or so due to its age.

Brad
The Four winns site has all the past catalogues on it. Your boat had a maximum HP rating of 260. When I was looking at a an Alpha 1 drive on another boat somebody told me they will handle up to 300 horses. :?:

If you happen to trip across a V8 at a good deal :!:

Remember you will need the bell housing and a new Y pipe (probably). The motor mounts would need to move ahead also. But if you have a V6 that's ready to go then start ripping out the floor. My neighbour got a 70's Peterborough boat a couple of weeks ago (for free) and we tore out all the floor and replaced it in a weekend. We sandwiched the main keel board between two PT 2x6's (galvanized carriage bolts) and did the same with the stringers. on top of that we put two overlapping layers of 1/2" plywood. We screwed it all together with deck screws. The floor is real solid now. We put some outdoor carpet on the floor and he bought some newer-used lounger seats. We are now rebuilding the back seat and the engine cover. He has had it in the water several times and the old Ford 302 that's in it runs like a top. It had sat for 15 years! At this point his total investment is less than 800 bucks! start ripping and assessing what you will need. Unfortunately, I did not take any pictures but maybe he did, so I will post if I can get them.

Author:	Brad [ Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:30 am ]
Post subject:	New to boating...
Hey guys! I picked up a 1987 Horizon 190 last week. Has the Mercruiser 4.3L V6 w/ Alpha 1 outdrive. Unfortunatly, the motor is currently not installed, so I've got some work ahead of me. I bought it as a 'project boat' and I'm pretty mechanically inclined, so I'm not really all that concerned. It has a brand new alternator, starter, water pump, power steering pump, timing chain, and the seller claims it has a new cam ( editted for being a tard whos only worked on non-pushrod engines, and didnt realize there was only one cam for a pushrod ) (who knows.). The outdrive has a brand new prop, and the trailer is a ShoreLand'r w/ brand new tires and winch. Apparently the engine that was in it was built incorrectly, and went all to hell the first time it was started. The seller bought it this way, and went and picked up another motor, and took all the brand new parts off the incorrectly built motor. So this is where I stand. The interior was pretty dirty, riddled with pine needles, and leaves. I know it held some water, and I'm sure there is some rot so I plan on attacking that this winter. Hopefully I can get this thing on the water this season, but I'm not holding high hopes. My girlfriend and I went on a cleaning spree this past weekend and got the seats looking pretty good (besides some cracking, and sun damage.. it is 21 years old afterall). Does anyone happen to know part numbers for shop manuals for this motor and outdrive? Also, which would you suggest, Clymer or Seloc? From what I can tell, the Seloc outdrive manual is #SL3200, and the Clymer outdrive manual is #B742. I just can't seem to find (or rather, don't know exactly which) shop manual I need for the engine itself. Anyway... Pics.

Author:	Blessed [ Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:54 am ]
Post subject:	Re: New to boating...
Hey congrats. Looks like a big job but you will know exactly what you got when its done and you will know exactly how to maintain it also. Vinyl doesn't look too bad and a lot of the common ailments have already been replaced so all thats left is "some assembly required". Sorry, don't have any guidance for you myself but Big Boat Bay Buster has an '87 210 Horizon that he's got restored to near new - he's posted some pics along the way but this is the thread that I recall. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1529 'Havent noticed him post in awhile but he' got probably tons of experiance to guide you along if you can track him down. Good luck and keep us informed on how you're progressing.

Author:	BrentC5Z [ Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:55 am ]
Post subject:	Re: New to boating...
Welcome, good job on the first post w/ pics! Looks like you've got your work cut out for you.

Author:	St. Louis Dave [ Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:12 am ]
Post subject:	Re: New to boating...
Welcome! Keep us posted on your progress. That will be a nice boat for you to enjoy soon!

Author:	KSJ8 [ Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:35 am ]
Post subject:	Re: New to boating...
Welcome & Congradulations. Looks like it'll work out to be a great boat W/new powerplant. Keep the pics coming.

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Author:	230 Mike [ Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:30 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New to boating...
Welcome! Great first post and pics! We'll all be looking forward to following along with your progress, so please keep us posted with pics whenever possible. Be sure to check for rot in the floor, stringers, and transom, in addition to the easier/more visible places. That's going to be an awesome boat when it's done. As to manuals - the problem with them is that none of them contain everything they should. Between Clymer and Seloc I recommend Seloc. I've got a set of factory manuals from Volvo and the Seloc, and often refer to both for a more complete picture of what's happening.

Author:	millhaven_nice_guy [ Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:19 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New to boating...
Brad The boat will be a real pleasure to drive once you've fixed her all up. I bet a small block Chevy would fit real nice in that hole if you wanted to! Take your time and make sure all that you do to the boat is safe and reliable. Keep us posted and feel free to ask away with any and all questions.. We have experts here on everything!

Author:	Brad [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:35 am ]
Post subject:	Re: New to boating...
Thanks everyone for the comments! 230 Mike wrote: Welcome! Great first post and pics! We'll all be looking forward to following along with your progress, so please keep us posted with pics whenever possible. Be sure to check for rot in the floor, stringers, and transom, in addition to the easier/more visible places. That's going to be an awesome boat when it's done. As to manuals - the problem with them is that none of them contain everything they should. Between Clymer and Seloc I recommend Seloc. I've got a set of factory manuals from Volvo and the Seloc, and often refer to both for a more complete picture of what's happening. I absolutely will keep everyone updated with pics as I do more and more work. Unfortunatly, we had an unreal rainstorm here 2 days in a row, and the boat is now a pool. I need to find it a new home where its bow up, stern down on a hill. The tarp I used didn't quite do its job as well as I had hoped, so I'm going to be looking into either making, or getting some canvas covers made like the stock ones that came on the boat (the snaps are there, but the covers are MIA). Like I said, this winter I'll be getting into the floors/other wooden areas to see the damage. Hopefully it wont be as bad as I expect it to be.. but if it is.. at least I expected it! Luckily, the boat isn't THAT big, and wood is relatively cheap. I want to re-carpet the whole boat, so It'll be a great chance to replace any old and rotted areas (or the whole thing if im feeling ambitious). I'll probably pick up the Seloc outdrive manual, and maybe call them to make sure I get the correct engine shop manual. I'm used to getting the shop manuals for cars, where its for a specific year and model, and that's that. I'm not used to these marine manuals that cover 15000 different manufacturers and engines all in one book. Perhaps I'll call Mercruiser and see if they have any specific shop manuals for sale (i'm sure.) millhaven_nice_guy wrote: Brad The boat will be a real pleasure to drive once you've fixed her all up. I bet a small block Chevy would fit real nice in that hole if you wanted to! Take your time and make sure all that you do to the boat is safe and reliable. Keep us posted and feel free to ask away with any and all questions.. We have experts here on everything! Yea, like a nice 350? With thru-hull captains call exhaust . If only marine engines got the gas mileage that cars did... I'm a huge fan of turbo cars (out of the 20 or so cars i've owned, probably 18 of them have been turbo), it would be super excellent to turbo this sucker. I doubt the alpha 1 could handle it anyway. I need to do more research on power handling capabilities. Either way... for now, i'm just looking to get the 4.3L in and running, and then I'll go from there! p.s. - Kahlua is an awesome name for a chocolate lab!!!

Author:	BrentC5Z [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:58 am ]
Post subject:	Re: New to boating...
You can get tons of power from the 4.3. I've been impressed with some 3.0s in 18' hulls. You're on the right track about the alpha drive's power handling. Also keep in mind that hull is probably rated for no more than 220hp or so due to its age.

Author:	Brad [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:20 am ]
Post subject:	Re: New to boating...
Brent87LT1 wrote: You can get tons of power from the 4.3. I've been impressed with some 3.0s in 18' hulls. You're on the right track about the alpha drive's power handling. Also keep in mind that hull is probably rated for no more than 220hp or so due to its age. What determines the HP rating of the hull, and how would you calculate it with age being a factor? I assume it has something to do with the whole 'every action has an opposite and equal reaction' where, if you're chucking tons of force rearward from the outdrive, the pressure on the transom (and inherently on the bottom of the hull, due to the engine being attached directly to the transom) is equal... will it crack, explode, shatter? I guess my question is.. if its rated for say, the 220hp, and you throw 300 at it, what would happen? I would think that speed would have a bigger reaction with the hull, rather than the hp of the engine. But then again, I know nothing about boats.

Author:	BrentC5Z [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:08 am ]
Post subject:	Re: New to boating...
sorry the age thing probably was a little vague. Newer boats seem to have a higher rating due to the technology and higher output of todays engines. In that year range, the highest output was 205hp V6. ('88 H180 18'6") A 2008 H190 18'6" has an optional 225hp V6. Your title.MSO should have the HP rating listed.

Author:	Brad [ Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:03 am ]
Post subject:	Re: New to boating...
ah, alright, that makes sense. So it doesn't necessarily degrade with age, it's just how it was made back then. Understandable. I'll have to do some more research and find out all that I can about this boat. (Not that I hadn't planned on it anyway.) The good news is, I finally got the boat turned around, and it peed water out of the drainplug hole for a solid half hour if not a bit more. That thing was chuck full. Who knows how long it sat, bow down in the sellers yard before I got to it. Oh well, good thing fiberglass doesn't rot! But I definitely will be tearing up the floors, and replacing all the wood I can this winter, and if I do make it out this season, i'll be going easy on it. I can guarentee the wood under the floors/the floors themselves have some sort of rot (if not completely). Oh well, it is what it is. Once it's done, it'll almost be like a brand new boat!

Author:	millhaven_nice_guy [ Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:20 am ]
Post subject:	Re: New to boating...
Brad The Four winns site has all the past catalogues on it. Your boat had a maximum HP rating of 260. When I was looking at a an Alpha 1 drive on another boat somebody told me they will handle up to 300 horses. If you happen to trip across a V8 at a good deal Remember you will need the bell housing and a new Y pipe (probably). The motor mounts would need to move ahead also. But if you have a V6 that's ready to go then start ripping out the floor. My neighbour got a 70's Peterborough boat a couple of weeks ago (for free) and we tore out all the floor and replaced it in a weekend. We sandwiched the main keel board between two PT 2x6's (galvanized carriage bolts) and did the same with the stringers. on top of that we put two overlapping layers of 1/2" plywood. We screwed it all together with deck screws. The floor is real solid now. We put some outdoor carpet on the floor and he bought some newer-used lounger seats. We are now rebuilding the back seat and the engine cover. He has had it in the water several times and the old Ford 302 that's in it runs like a top. It had sat for 15 years! At this point his total investment is less than 800 bucks! start ripping and assessing what you will need. Unfortunately, I did not take any pictures but maybe he did, so I will post if I can get them.

Author:	Brad [ Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:09 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New to boating...
millhaven_nice_guy wrote: Brad The Four winns site has all the past catalogues on it. Your boat had a maximum HP rating of 260. When I was looking at a an Alpha 1 drive on another boat somebody told me they will handle up to 300 horses. If you happen to trip across a V8 at a good deal Remember you will need the bell housing and a new Y pipe (probably). The motor mounts would need to move ahead also. But if you have a V6 that's ready to go then start ripping out the floor. My neighbour got a 70's Peterborough boat a couple of weeks ago (for free) and we tore out all the floor and replaced it in a weekend. We sandwiched the main keel board between two PT 2x6's (galvanized carriage bolts) and did the same with the stringers. on top of that we put two overlapping layers of 1/2" plywood. We screwed it all together with deck screws. The floor is real solid now. We put some outdoor carpet on the floor and he bought some newer-used lounger seats. We are now rebuilding the back seat and the engine cover. He has had it in the water several times and the old Ford 302 that's in it runs like a top. It had sat for 15 years! At this point his total investment is less than 800 bucks! start ripping and assessing what you will need. Unfortunately, I did not take any pictures but maybe he did, so I will post if I can get them. Excellent, thanks for the info! From what I can tell, the GM 4.3L 262cu engine was used in S10s, and Blazers. There were 2 versions of it, one with a balanced shaft, and one without, that had a messed up firing order. Apparently, it's exactly the same engine as the Chevy 350, with 2 cylinders chopped off. Same accessories, flywheels, etc etc. So, later on, if i decide to go V8, at least it wont be a very hard swap! I ordered the shop manual for the engine, and the parts catalogs for the engine and sterndrive through Mercruiser (using the serial numbers), and got a used, good condition clymer (i know, i should have gone with seloc) sterndrive manual for 13$ on ebay. Now I just need to find some new adjustable arms for my engine stand (or a whole new one), and a tree to hoist this billion pound motor onto the stand, so I can get crackin' on finishing this whole thing. Glad to hear redoing a floor can take as little as a single weekend (as long as im prepared, and have some help).. I'm not sure how thick the current floor is, but is 1" really necessary? I would think that a single 1/2" layer of marine grade plywood would be thick enough, without being insanely heavy. Maybe I'm wrong? I'll at least copy whatever is currently in the boat, unless you (or anyone else) thinks that going a bit above and beyond would be worth the cost/weight. Thanks again everyone.

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