RotaryRacer wrote:
How much does a 3.0 and sterndrive weigh? 800 lbs?
Check that, the Mercruiser site says it is 1040 lbs.
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| Author: | sachem29 [ Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Looking at a 2000 h180 |
Anybody have any ideas what a 2000 h180 ob with a johnson 150 and fw trailer is worth. Looking to upgrade my 97 horizon qx. I looked on NADA and they showed 9,400- 9,600 for everything added up. The current owner wants 10,500, I think thats a little high, any opinions would be appreciated. thanks... |
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| Author: | RotaryRacer [ Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looking at a 2000 h180 |
$10,500 is kinda high for that year and motor. I paid about that for my 2004 in May 2010. Mine has an Evinrude Direct Injection motor which adds quite a bit of value. I've seen boats in the 97-2000 range with 150 Johnsons go for as little as $5000. Condition is king, unless the seller doesn't know what they have. I get interested in a boat in that age range when it is less than $8k. Anything more than that and it is overpriced in my opinion. For the better part of 2 years, I literally saw every ad for these boats in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana and Illinois. craigslist, boattrader, ebay, etc. I searched long and hard for my boat. I still keep my eye on the market for these boats and can tell you that they do hold their value a lot better than the I/O counter parts. Without any pictures of the boat you are interested in, I would say that I wouldn't pay any more than $8500 for a boat in perfect condition. If there is any significant wear or damage it would drop pretty quick. Keep in mind that the 97, 98 RX is the same as the 99-2000 180 Horizon, in 2001 the outboards were called 180 Horizon LE, 2002 they didn't have the LE designation anymore just Horizon. In 2003 and 2004 they changed to a 180 Freedom. In 2005 they were 180 Horizon LE again. These all have the exact same hull. Of course the average seller and average consumer wouldn't make any of these distinctions. I'm just letting you know that these boats can be listed as several different model designations. If you cast a wide net, look for boats listed at 1996s also. This was the switch over year. There are few 1996s with the newer hull design. |
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| Author: | ric [ Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looking at a 2000 h180 |
Some 1996's are the same as the 2000. You can tell the difference cause the 96-200x style has a full fiberglass floor, no wood/carpet. $9000 is way too much, unless it has a 1-3 year old Evinrude direct injected 2-stroke that is valued at nearly 6000 itself. Do you want an outboard or not care? In the last week I've seen a few nice 2006 style H180's sterndrives for around the 9k mark. |
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| Author: | sachem29 [ Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looking at a 2000 h180 |
Thanks for the replies, I must agree that anything more that 8-9k is too much. I prefer the o/b over the i/o for a couple of reasons. The first is ease of maintenance, lighter weight, and a shallower depth as my little cove is fairly shallow. Although I will not rule out an i/o as my vista had one and was very good to me. |
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| Author: | RotaryRacer [ Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looking at a 2000 h180 |
ric wrote: Some 1996's are the same as the 2000. You can tell the difference cause the 96-200x style has a full fiberglass floor, no wood/carpet. $9000 is way too much, unless it has a 1-3 year old Evinrude direct injected 2-stroke that is valued at nearly 6000 itself. Ric, I already mentioned that some 1996s are the newer hull style. Good point about the full fiberglass liner...HOWEVER, that doesn't mean there isn't wood. There is wood in the floor and transom on these boats. Yours also. You're wrong about the $9000 being way too much. These OB powered boats fetch a lot more than the IO counterparts regardless of the engine in either. As I said, I would spend $8500 on a 2000 180 Horizon with a 150 HP Johnson in perfect condition. In fact if I could have found that boat within my 5 state search area 2 years ago, I would have bought it. The market for these boats has not changed at all over the past 2 years. I decided to spend more for a newer boat with a better motor b/c it was available and still felt that I did really well. I drove to Wisconsin to get it...about 400 miles without the ferry on the way back. There have been comparable boats to mine on the market since then for $12-$13k and they very well may have been worth it. I'll say it again, these OB boats hold their value far better than the IO counterparts. |
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| Author: | TX H210SS [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looking at a 2000 h180 |
I too realize the value of OB being greater...but don't get why performance is better. How is it less HP in an OB equates to more HP in an IO. I know it does just don't understand why. IE.. my bro has twin 250's on a 28 footer and it will flat out get to town and back. Would run circles around same boat if it had twin IO 5.0's with same HP rating. |
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| Author: | RotaryRacer [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looking at a 2000 h180 |
TX H210SS wrote: I too realize the value of OB being greater...but don't get why performance is better. How is it less HP in an OB equates to more HP in an IO. I know it does just don't understand why. IE.. my bro has twin 250's on a 28 footer and it will flat out get to town and back. Would run circles around same boat if it had twin IO 5.0's with same HP rating. Weight. For the most part at least. My 150 HP motor weighs 427 lbs. How much does a 3.0 and sterndrive weigh? 800 lbs? |
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| Author: | RotaryRacer [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looking at a 2000 h180 |
RotaryRacer wrote: How much does a 3.0 and sterndrive weigh? 800 lbs? Check that, the Mercruiser site says it is 1040 lbs.
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| Author: | RotaryRacer [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looking at a 2000 h180 |
The Mercruiser website is wrong. A 3.0 with an Alpha is 635 lbs based on another source....it looks like some intern at Mercruiser screwed up. The 635 is far more believable...though not as convincing as to why outboards are faster. Another Example of why outboards are "faster" Yamaha F250 = 608 lbs Mercruiser 4.3 MPI (220 HP) w/Alpha drive = 865 lbs Mercruiser 5.0 MPI (260 HP) w/Alpha drive = 952 lbs |
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| Author: | ric [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looking at a 2000 h180 |
I'm really happy with my 3.0 H180. The only issues I've ever had with it are Chevrolet related (PS pump, alt) and that's just cause they are 12 years old. It runs like a champ, and I can boat all weekend not even using 10 gallons of gas. To each their own, it's like saying blondes are better then brunettes.. but personally I prefer i/o. For me, it's an image thing. When I think outboard on a bow rider, I think of those 1970's tri-hull boats. I/O's are sleeker and sexier. |
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| Author: | Cap'n Morgan [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looking at a 2000 h180 |
RotaryRacer wrote: Mercruiser 4.3 MPI (220 HP) w/Alpha drive = 865 lbs Mercruiser 5.0 MPI (260 HP) w/Alpha drive = 952 lbs Thank you for the correction....... How about a St. Martin 15 footer / About $13K with motor.  
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| Author: | Cap'n Morgan [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looking at a 2000 h180 |
Quote: These OB powered boats fetch a lot more than the IO counterparts regardless of the engine in either. You ain't kidding http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/boa/2871882276.html
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| Author: | RotaryRacer [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looking at a 2000 h180 |
Cap'n Morgan wrote: Quote: These OB powered boats fetch a lot more than the IO counterparts regardless of the engine in either. You ain't kidding http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/boa/2871882276.htmlOk. Now that IS overpriced. Here is a 170 that is priced about right in my opinion: http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/boa/2868323561.html |
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| Author: | sachem29 [ Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looking at a 2000 h180 |
Looked at the H180 today, not up to my standards, cant see selling my boat that's in much better shape just for a slightly bigger boat that wasn't. Still looking!!! |
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| Author: | ric [ Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looking at a 2000 h180 |
Go for the inboard. Find a v6, best engine out there for fuel consumption vs power. I love my 3.0 it does everything a 29yo single man could want, but I would like the higher cruise MPH of the added HP. I'm okay with mid 20's cruise cause my lake is small, but on large body of water/river.. it wouldn't cut it. Gotta cruise in the 30's and you only get that out of the 4.3/5.0 if you got any distance to cover. I cruise 3100rpm @ 21mph via GPS. I'm way under propped (14x19). The 3.0 is supposed to redline around 4500rpms. I can rev it out past 5000 at just 60 percent throttle. In the next week I'm going to try a 14x21 to see if I can get closer to 30 and bring the revs down. |
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