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Has anyone put a new through hull fitting behind the fridge to allow the discharge of the galley sink directly overboard, i find it very very stupid it goes to a unit that is designed for shower sump drainage.

Comments pls


Sean

Our galley sink on the 268 discharges directly overboard. What boat do you have that routes it through the sump ???

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One of 4 Previous (Sold) Boats:
2000 Four Winns 268 Vista

Current Boat: 2004 Chaparral 235 ssi cuddy

2008 358 Vista

Thanks.

Note to self: Read

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One of 4 Previous (Sold) Boats:
2000 Four Winns 268 Vista

Current Boat: 2004 Chaparral 235 ssi cuddy

2008 not 2000 ,

I have taken the cup draw out and that is directly below the sink outlet, i can see no reason why a through hull would not be put directly there, it's above the water line, it seems that they have taken a complicated route down to the shower drain just to drain the galley sink, the last thing you want is bits of food waste going down into the shower drain, there has to be a reason for it any ideas ?? some ones got tp know before i go and install a through hull and find out why???

Thanks


Sean

I dont understand why they did it either? My friends 2006 V318 does the same thing but our new 2008 V338 goes over the side? We looked at his this weekend when we were replacing the black and fresh water gages/sensors and wiring. There is lots of room behind the drawers to go out the side?? My thought was maybe someone plumbed it thinking gray water holding and then just left it that way and plumbed the shower sump over board instead of into a holding tank. Maybe worth a call to Four Winns?

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Todd
Moses Lake, WA
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2008 FOUR WINNS V338 Special Edition
Merc Seacore 5.7MPI BravoIII W/AXIUS
2008 Phoenix Trailer
Previous Boat: 97 Chapparal Sig 290

Lose an engagement ring sometime. You'll appreciate having that sump...

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-Bill Kearney, 2005 348 Vista

It will not fit throught the small single outlet in the drain of the sink it has a 90 degree out let that it probablly 3/8 outlet

So i afraid that one is out

try again

i think the prevoius reply was right that it/can be pumped to a gray water tank, great for salt water folk not!!!

Did you buy your boat new, because according to your manual your system was only available as an option? And if it was an option I would have thought the overboard discharge would still be in place somewhere.

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Beyond the Blue

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Ex 1998 238 Vista 5.0Gi SX DP
Lexus RX300

"try again"? Hmmmm, try dialing back the attitude. Folks here appreciate dialog, not snapping comebacks.

A gray water tank setup is required in many lakes these days (at least here in the US). Given that Four Winns sells a LOT of 'lake boats' it's no surprise to see them planning for it. But it does seem odd that the new 338 comes without it. Perhaps it's a cost-savings measure? It's looking like a number of new boat makers are squeezing a few extra bucks by going with less (at the same or inflated retail prices though).

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-Bill Kearney, 2005 348 Vista

The Try Again was not meant as Attitude, it was meant as humour, sorry if it offended, i understood that even in the lakes you could discahrge gray waters, and in any case if if goes to the shower drain it is pumped overboard when the bilge float gets to the activation height ( about 3 cups of water) i have checked the owners manual and i can not find anything about the sink discharge apart from it goes to the shower sump box, the strange things are that, the sink in the head does overboard, and that to drain to the shower sump requires more pipe and routing than a $20.00 through hull fitting. My real problem is that the shower sump box is not designed to handle/discharge solids as in food waste, it has a Rule 650 Bilge pump that will not take any solids other than very small bits. This in my mind is not fit for purpose, if the sump box was to be used to handle food waste it should have used a diaphragm discharge pump that could not get blocked.
The main reason for the post was to try and find out if i was missing something before i installed a through hull fitting. I think i will install a through hull and fit a 3 way T with ball cocks to enble discharge to over hull or sump box.

Would be good to hear if anybody has any more commets


Thanks

Sean

No worries, no offense taken. There are some boating forums that get way out of hand, we've had great success avoiding it here.

I think the point is you shouldn't be letting any food waste get into the drain. Seriously. Food particles stuck in hoses gets nasty. This isn't completely realistic, of course, but that's why there's a cylindrical catch filter inside the sump box. It'll catch most of the bits, along with hair from the shower. Yes, this is a nasty cleaning job if you don't stay on it. Made more tedious by there being screws holding the box shut. A direct overboard would eliminate a bit of this, but then you'd be faced with a nasty streak of waste water dripping down the side of the hull. In theory, the sump and filter serves to lessen this. But it's a bad set of trade offs no matter how you look at it. Yes, a different type of pump would certainly be worth considering if/when the one in there dies. But thus far over three seasons of use nearly every weekend, including cooking and dish clean up, I've yet to have trouble with how the sump box is working.

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-Bill Kearney, 2005 348 Vista

Sean - I'll be curious as to how you make out so please report back. This has had me stumped as well and I also do not have a holding tank for grey water.

I'll add to the mix with this: has anyone figured out why the A/C through-hull on the V358 is so high? My dog likes it on hot days because it keeps the dock cool but it doesn't make any practical sense to me. There is no apparent reason they didn't make it lower from what I can see on my own but maybe I'm missing something (at my home port I am typically bow-in with a port tie unlike in my signature picture). I've been plotting solutions and considering adding a lower through-hull.

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2008 V358/Volvo 5.7 GXi Inboards

The height of the AC through-hull is a bit annoying, I agree. It's just high enough for the stream to start 'breaking up' and making more splashing noise. If it were about 6" lower it would enter the water as a more solid stream and make less noise.

But the AC unit itself is a bit high inside the boat. That might have something to do with the placement. I've never looked into it but I do recall reading an installation guide and seeing some diagrams on measuring heights of hoses. As anyone who's ever used a garden hose as a siphon can tell you, the level of the exit end of the hose is important. I'm guessing if it were "too low" there'd be the potential for the siphon effect to drain the system.

That said, I do wish it was a bit more quiet... if only for the sake of my fellow slip holders. I used to be right beside a sailboat (that lacked AC) and, while he said it in a joking tone, he did comment about the noise of our AC making them get up all night to hit the bathroom... I actually tested whether some sort of shield could be rigged up and found it was possible to have the stream hit a board and cut down on the noise. But the distance necessary for the board was farther out than was possible to hang from the boat itself. So I would've had to rig up some sort of extension and that would've just looked ugly. But he's moved the boat closer to home and we've moved to a different slip. At the moment the slip adjacent is empty and everyone else near has AC running pretty much any time we would.

I've considered the idea of possibly wedging a section of tubing into it for use on temporary occasions. Just enough to keep the stream tighter and thus quieter. But like many other things, it's waaaaay down on the 'to do' list.

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-Bill Kearney, 2005 348 Vista