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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:26 am 
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firecadet613 wrote:
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Anchor really needs to be secured when underway. Get it fixed.


Keep in mind M3Eater doesn't have a windlass......

Parts have already been ordered.


I am totally aware that he does not have a windlass, no need to repeat the obvious.

Glad you have parts on the way.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:28 am 
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Since we are on the subject of anchors....has anyone used one of those anchor swivels to attach your anchor to the chain portion of your anchor line? My anchor is attached with shackles which cause the anchor to get hung up on the roller when retrieving. Using a swivel would make for a much smoother retrieval with the windlass. My only concern is the strength of these swivels. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:43 am 
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With the ridiculous cost of a windlass I want as little stress on it as possible. I always use the stopper and cleat when I anchor.


Or you could use a snubber. A line with a hook on it for the chain (if you have that much chain) or just a line tied to the rode. I like to use either a rolling hitch or a prusik knot. The other end tied off to the bow cleats in a V. This transfers the load of the rode to the cleats instead of through the windlass.

It also allows for adjusting how the bow is angled in relation to the direction of the rode. This can help alleviate some of the slapping noise of waves against the bow and chines. You tighen up one side more than the other and it pulls that side into a closer angle to the rode, slightly shifting where the waves slap the chines underneath. I've heard there's a trick using a couple of swimming noodles down there too. They serve as a cushion of sorts to keep the waves from smacking the chines. Run a line through the noodles and then secure it on either the midships or aft cleats. Haven't tried it myself but have a couple noodles aboard that I'd use in a pinch. Chine slap from lots of little waves can be REALLY annoying when you're trying to sleep. Not even extra tequila dulls the noise.

The chain stopper is pretty much only good for keeping the anchor securely in place when it's up on the pulpit, nothing more. I'd replace the missing latch and use a wire to keep it there.

That cleat up there is a MUCH better place to fasten the rode. Just cleat it off as you would a regular line and that takes the stress instead of the windlass. That's what I use most of the time, only using the snubber when on the hook overnight.

I much prefer to trust how a cleat is anchored to the deck instead of just a couple of screws holding a chain stopper. I've seen the underside of the deck under that hardware and the stopped isn't fastened as securely as the cleat.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:26 am 
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Cap'n Morgan wrote:
Anchor really needs to be secured when underway. Get it fixed.



You bet ..... already done.

Drilled a hole through the side of the bracket and installed a clevis (with a wire keeper) that just clips through the hole and the clevis prevents the flap from flipping up .... no matter what. In order to flip the flap up and release the chain, just unclip and remove the clevis.

This was far cheaper and easier than installing a deck mounted locking device.

EDIT:

I guess clevis is the wrong term (although I did consider a standard clevis with a threaded pin, but thought it would be a potential hassel under less than positive conditions). It's a stainless steel snap clip.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:38 am 
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I don't have one of those chain stopper thingies. Instead, I have a vinyl coated piece of cable (maybe 1/4") that is secured on one end to the boat and on the other it has one of those rock climbers hooks. My anchor has a separate ring on it to clip it to when its up. Seems easy enough. I also have a cleat under the hatch where the windlass is. Mine is not mounted on the deck. Plus, it uses one of the swivel things (I'm just full of correct terminology today) on the end of the rode that allows the anchor to line up with rollers as it comes up.

Not to change subjects but I need to replace my line. Its a little frayed right where its meshed with the chain and will occassionaly bunch up at the windlass instead of dropping down in the anchor locker. I have plenty of line so I thought about just cutting that section out and re-attaching but don't know how to keep the metal eye that the chain is secured to in the new section of the rope?

EDIT: "rock climbers hooks" just like above.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:39 am 
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Good idea Gordon. I just use the clip (or whatever it is called) and loop through the chain, as well as wrap the chain around the bow cleat for added security. The clip was not properly fastened once a couple of years ago, and the anchor came out at 35mph. Luckily we stopped in time and no damage was done, it helped that we were in 180 ft. of water at the time too.
Secured this way, for a non-windlass set up, it will never fail to stay fastened.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:44 am 
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Snap hook and/or caribiner :)

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:53 am 
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ChicagoTC wrote:
Snap hook and/or caribiner :)


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:16 am 
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Hehehheheee............

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:07 pm 
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firecadet613 wrote:
Parts have already been ordered.


How many parts have you had to order for this boat was is supposed to be in very good shape?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:40 pm 
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Five, including the part I ordered today. No used boat is perfect, we are doing far less to this boat than the 225 I bought last year. I keep my stuff in better than new condition, and any part that isn't up to snuff is replaced.

There is a boat similiar to mine for sale right now, asking 69,995. You cannot buy what I have for even CLOSE to what I have in this, no doubt.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:26 pm 
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Come on now...you and I both know that anyone can ask ANYTHING they want for their boat. Does not mean it will sell. It is loke saying your boat goes 60 mph via the boat speedo when we all know that boat speedos are horribly inaccurate.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:26 pm 
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Very true!

All in all we did real well. We are putting less money into it than we had planned on. A lot of the stuff just wasn't plugged in/have fuses. The DVD Player/Trim tabs come to mind. Believe it or not I got my parts from FW in less than a week from when I ordered it through my dealer!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:34 pm 
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firecadet613 wrote:
Very true!

All in all we did real well. We are putting less money into it than we had planned on. A lot of the stuff just wasn't plugged in/have fuses. The DVD Player/Trim tabs come to mind. Believe it or not I got my parts from FW in less than a week from when I ordered it through my dealer!


I'd be a little disappointed in your surveyor if he overlooked those facts.

Btw, just wanted to stress how important it is to have that genny looked at by a mechanic. From what you described to me regarding the white smoke and also the exhaust deposits that could be a dangerous source of CO especially from one that is not already Low CO. Most of the time you read these CO related deaths (home or elsewhere) are the result of poorly maintained or running equipment rather than operator error.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:42 pm 
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firecadet613 wrote:
Very true!

All in all we did real well. We are putting less money into it than we had planned on. A lot of the stuff just wasn't plugged in/have fuses. The DVD Player/Trim tabs come to mind. Believe it or not I got my parts from FW in less than a week from when I ordered it through my dealer!


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