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 Post subject: Re: galvanic isolators
PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 2:36 am 
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I just discovered that the galvanic isolator indicator lights are conected to the panel lights. If the panel lights switch is off the galvanic isolator lights go off. Turn the panel lights on and voalla the galvanic isolator lights come on.


I have noticed that too but think it is stray light and not the actual galvonic isolator indicator lights.

Anyone have issues with circuit breakers popping on their new 358's?

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 Post subject: Re: galvanic isolators
PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:18 am 
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rberm wrote:
I just discovered that the galvanic isolator indicator lights are conected to the panel lights. If the panel lights switch is off the galvanic isolator lights go off. Turn the panel lights on and voalla the galvanic isolator lights come on.


I have noticed that too but think it is stray light and not the actual galvonic isolator indicator lights.

Anyone have issues with circuit breakers popping on their new 358's?


I observed the same with the isolator lights this weekend - curious to hear what FW has to say about the reality of that situation.

I have not had any issues with breakers popping.

Had a thoroughly enjoyable weekend on the boat. Was able to spend about five hours on the hook on Sunday. The anchor, by the way, holds very well on a silty bottom with a strong current.

I can definitely see why some people have added extra ship's systems batteries. Between the two fridges, stereo, fresh-water pump, guests leaving lights on in the head, VHF and the E80 fired up, power was dipping below healthy voltage just before I pulled anchor.

Great to finally have warm enough weather to pull the camper top down. Used the mooring cover one night when I was away from the boat - it's terrific.

Anyone with an E80 experience the screen occasionally refreshing itself, even when not underway? It seems to happen, inexplicably, every now and then.

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 Post subject: Re: V348/V358 Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:54 pm 
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Low power will make the E-80 blink. Mine did until I added the extra batteries. It's pretty picky about having enough voltage.

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 Post subject: Re: V348/V358 Thread
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:48 pm 
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Galvonic isolator system view in the electrical panel is not showing green when on shore power.

From technical support at Guest (who manufactures the G.I. system on the 2008 V358):

If the unit is installed properly you should have continuous, bright green with a short blink red every minute or so (this is the unit checking for neutral-ground connection at shore power, once per minute). If you have no led's lighting, you'll need to verify all connections to the isolator were properly made, as the 12VDC connections to the unit power the LED's for monitoring, and it's fairly common that they don't install these properly w/ regard to the 12VDC connection.

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 Post subject: Re: V348/V358 Thread
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Sierra wrote:
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Galvonic isolator system view in the electrical panel is not showing green when on shore power.

From technical support at Guest (who manufactures the G.I. system on the 2008 V358):

If the unit is installed properly you should have continuous, bright green with a short blink red every minute or so (this is the unit checking for neutral-ground connection at shore power, once per minute). If you have no led's lighting, you'll need to verify all connections to the isolator were properly made, as the 12VDC connections to the unit power the LED's for monitoring, and it's fairly common that they don't install these properly w/ regard to the 12VDC connection.


Sierra, what is the current status of your GI? Mine is still not showing green at all.

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 Post subject: Re: V348/V358 Thread
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:13 pm 
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Sierra, what is the current status of your GI? Mine is still not showing green at all.


Same. I'm having them take a look at it on Friday. If I read the note from Guest correctly, it could simply mean that, while the unit may be operating, the LED lights are not getting power. I'll let you know what they find. But he clearly said "bright" green. The dim green is likely just catching ambient light from the panel. It sounds like this may be a systemic factory issue.
Anyone with an'08 seeing bright green lights from their GI?

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 Post subject: Re: V348/V358 Thread
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My GI lights are off until I turn on the panel lights, then they are on but dim. They are definitely turning of and on with the panel lights, it's not stray light. They are definitely a lot dimmer than the other lights of similar size and shape.

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 Post subject: Re: V348/V358 Thread
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Mine do the same thing. Turn on and off with the panel light switch but are not as bright as the other green panel lights.

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 Post subject: Re: V348/V358 Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:09 pm 
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jrcinnh wrote:
My GI lights are off until I turn on the panel lights, then they are on but dim. They are definitely turning of and on with the panel lights, it's not stray light. They are definitely a lot dimmer than the other lights of similar size and shape.


...last posting on this. I am now fully satisfied that the lights are on (albeit dimly) when the panel lights are on and agree it is not stray light. If you are in a dark cabin and turn on the panel light switch you will see the GI lights come on a moment later.

More generally, I'm up to a whopping 16.5 hours and loving the boat. I'm still learning the feel and harmonics so every sound gets my attention, but she's been performing great and completely meeting my expectations. I do find the attitude of the bow is higher than I would expect without deploying the trim tabs at cruising speed and I'm still getting accustomed to how it's supposed to ride, but I'm enjoying the learning process. My punch-list is almost settled and I had the tech who was down at the boat last week do the 20 hour fluid service. Genny is terrific but I'll advise my fellow '08 owners to check the coolant level. Mine wouldn't start the other day but it couldn't have been easier to diagnose. The display on the genny read the error code "LC." It seems so simple, but the fine folks at Kohler were smart enough to list all of the error codes right there on the panel. The level dipped just below the threshold and needed a little topping off. I'll be keeping an eye on it but I'm guessing it shipped that way an was a new boat thing.

We all have our punch-lists and have isolated a few of those (what I consider to be relatively minor) design-flaws, but I would love to hear what the other new owners are loving about their V358.

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 Post subject: Re: V348/V358 Thread
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Sierra wrote:
jrcinnh wrote:
My GI lights are off until I turn on the panel lights, then they are on but dim. They are definitely turning of and on with the panel lights, it's not stray light. They are definitely a lot dimmer than the other lights of similar size and shape.


...last posting on this. I am now fully satisfied that the lights are on (albeit dimly) when the panel lights are on and agree it is not stray light. If you are in a dark cabin and turn on the panel light switch you will see the GI lights come on a moment later.



I am not as convinced that it is not stray light. What would be the connection between the panel lights and the GI anyway? My techs will be looking into this hopefully today.

On another topic. This past weekend that a/c sure blew cold air. It was fantastic.

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 Post subject: Re: V348/V358 Thread
PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:29 am 
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Better Luck wrote:
I am not as convinced that it is not stray light. What would be the connection between the panel lights and the GI anyway? My techs will be looking into this hopefully today.


Try the dark cabin test and see if there's that momentary delay between when you flip the panel light switch and when the GI lights come on (the panel lights themselves come on instantly). My tech said they put the lights on the switch because people complained that the GI lights annoyed them in a dark cabin on the boat's previous incarnation. Whether or not that's the reason, it's obviously a bit silly because they're so dim (powered by 12V and not 120V like the shore power lights the reason for that despite what Guest says) and behind a piece of smoked glass. And I doubt many people would be in the cabin with the shore power mains off, and those lights obviously are pretty bright. I do understand the complaint, however - I'm the guy who shuts off the coffee maker at night so I don't see the little blue light on it.

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 Post subject: Re: V348/V358 Thread
PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:25 am 
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Ok so that sounds plausible until you stare at the other green lights that show if the a/c (shore or genset power) is on. Or am I imagining that those lights are there?

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 Post subject: Re: V348/V358 Thread
PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:33 pm 
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Better Luck wrote:
Ok so that sounds plausible until you stare at the other green lights that show if the a/c (shore or genset power) is on. Or am I imagining that those lights are there?

Or the ones on the carbon monoxide sensors. I put a small piece of electrical tape over the one in the forward cabin. You can practically use it as a reading lamp otherwise. It's funny how such a small light can be so annoying.

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 Post subject: Re: V348/V358 Thread
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Ok new stupid question. Where and how do the swim platform compartments drain?

The hatches on these are no where near water tight and lots of rain goes in there. The little rubber bumper that stops the hatch from banging fell off and went down the drain. I tried to push it through, big mistake. Now the water drains very slowly.

I'm guessing these must drain into the bilge?

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 Post subject: Re: V348/V358 Thread
PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:36 am 
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The two compartments on the platform drain to a hose, which in turn goes overboard on the starboard side. They do not drain ito the bilge.

You're going to have to remove the hose to extract the blockage. Which one did you cram it into? The hose runs from the port side first, then to a Tee fitting under the starboard one and then overboard. If you blocked the port one and it's the only one draining slow then it's probably just in the hose between the two. But if both of the are slow then it's the hose leading to the through hull.

The hose is accessible from the engine compartment. Not without being a circus contortionist, but you can get to them. One bit of advice, bring one of those mover's quilts to the boat and use that to keep all the hose clamps from gouging you.

You *might* be able to get away with using an air or water hose to push the obstruction back up the drain. The through hull fitting is about 1/2" wide. You could use a hunk of rubber tubing attached to a garden hose splice to make yourself a rube goldberg reverse flush. Worst case you'd blow out a hose fitting. Everything is 'tough enough' to withstand normal garden hose water pressure though. But if it's on the port side you're going to need something (or someone) to plug the starboard side drain, otherwise you'll just have a water fountain out that one side.

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