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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:40 pm 
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JoeBalt wrote:
We're looking at April 9 or 10 to splash the new 358.

Joe - you still on schedule? Waiting for pix and an update!
Two weeks from tomorrow for me...

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We splash today. New drives, new bottom paint, new zincs, new "pucks" and just in time for boating season, new higher fuel prices!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:26 pm 
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Sierra, thanks for asking.

Little delay...dealer needs to get our trade-in from the marina before he can splash ours...marina is a little backed up with the crappy weather. Will go in on the 23rd or 24th and Bryan will come back on that Saturday 25th to do the full run down. I guess if it were 70 and sunny I'd be a bit more antsy...but name is on the boat, all other add-on's happening...going to drop off the dingy this weekend for davit installation.
I'll have the camera with me when the day comes.

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Sierra, thanks for asking.
going to drop off the dingy this weekend for davit installation.
I'll have the camera with me when the day comes.

Joe B.




Hey Joe B -- do you have any pictures of the davit and dinghy installed on the 318?

Take pics of the new boat!

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JoeBalt wrote:
Will go in on the 23rd or 24th... I guess if it were 70 and sunny I'd be a bit more antsy...but name is on the boat, all other add-on's happening...going to drop off the dingy this weekend for davit installation.

Well it will be Sunny & 70 on the 24th since that's when I'm going in 8)
I'll really want to hear from you about the davit install as mine is being done after I splash. I'm having an existing system customized to account for the big drop from the platform to the waterline and will be curious to see the specs on yours.

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Bingo Boyz splashed today with little fanfare. I checked out all systems, flushed the pink stuff from the water system, cleaned her up and tested out the new sink drain. Works like a charm. No water backup in the galley sink. Now onto the new shower sump because the old one is only working in manual mode.

Don't tell Sirius but the satelite radio is still working and I don't have a plan! We'll see how long that lasts.

Without too much gear (crap) onboard I took her out for a spin (to check the drives to make sure they were installed properly <wink> ). Had her up to 40.5 MPH! That felt great! Tomorrow I need glue for a snap and we can start hauling our junk on board!

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Congrats on the splash Steve! Here's to a GREAT season! I hope it's nothing but excellent for you guys!!
Please shoot a couple of pix of the new thru-hull when you have a chance...

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And to you as well Sierra. Ok on the pics. I should have done that yesterday when she was on land. But I can do it soon. The hole is pretty close to the water line, maybe 3-4 inches above. I guess it needs to be pretty low to get good gravity!

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not sure if I have any pics on the 318 but will check. I installed it myself (Weaver snap davits) and it is a little unique vs. regular installation. The Merc airdeck that I bought did not have much space along the rub rail so I mounted the pads high on the side tube...I think the extension arms I bought from weaver are four inches out and 2 inches down (may be vice versa)...they almost perfectly line up with the pad bracketts...I probaly push the dingy down an inch with no one in it to clip the davit...when I pull the dingy up it lies almost perfectly flat on the swim platform. Maybe a little hard to picture...I had talked to a customer service person at Weaver and she was concerned that the davits might pop out being mounted that high on the tube, but has never happend...they are a little in the way if someone is trying to use the tube as a seat.

Expecting it to be similar on the 358, thinking it is a little higher out of the water but not sure....worst case would be to get new extension arms with maybe another inch drop. If I find a pic I'll post, if I don't I'll take one of the new config in a couple of weeks.

Oh yeah...on the 318 I took out the transom shelf and my 5 HP two stroke, in a motor bag fits perfectly in the transom locker. The dealer is takeing the back shelf out of the 358, should fit the motor no problem.

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Better Luck wrote:
We splash today. New drives, new bottom paint, new zincs, new "pucks" and just in time for boating season, new higher fuel prices!


Hi congrads on geting the boat back in the water, why did you have to replace the drives?
Thanks Robbi

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JoeBalt wrote:
not sure if I have any pics on the 318 but will check. I installed it myself (Weaver snap davits) and it is a little unique vs. regular installation. The Merc airdeck that I bought did not have much space along the rub rail so I mounted the pads high on the side tube...I think the extension arms I bought from weaver are four inches out and 2 inches down (may be vice versa)...they almost perfectly line up with the pad bracketts...I probaly push the dingy down an inch with no one in it to clip the davit...when I pull the dingy up it lies almost perfectly flat on the swim platform. Maybe a little hard to picture...I had talked to a customer service person at Weaver and she was concerned that the davits might pop out being mounted that high on the tube, but has never happend...they are a little in the way if someone is trying to use the tube as a seat.

Expecting it to be similar on the 358, thinking it is a little higher out of the water but not sure....worst case would be to get new extension arms with maybe another inch drop. If I find a pic I'll post, if I don't I'll take one of the new config in a couple of weeks.

Oh yeah...on the 318 I took out the transom shelf and my 5 HP two stroke, in a motor bag fits perfectly in the transom locker. The dealer is takeing the back shelf out of the 358, should fit the motor no problem.




Joe -- if you get any chances to take pictures of the setup on the 318 - I would love it. I'm leaning towards going the weaver route - and have no idea about what I'm going to need to mount an inflatable back there.

I know I want quick release brackets - and I'll probably need something like the (4 out, 4 down) or something.

How much out/down drop do I need? How does one figure it out?

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Cougar,
I had to do a little trial and error (meaning sending back at least one set of extensions) and of course measuring about eight times before drilling. I think the Weaver site has pretty good instructions...pretty sure my extensions are 4 out 2 down...if you can put the pads on the dingy where they are supposed to go (just above the rubrail) the 4 and 4's you are showing will most probably work...again, I think the Weaver site or a call to their customer service (they were helpful and friendly folk when I called) will give you instructions on the measurements. Overall, I installed the pads on the dingy first, clipped the extension arms to the dingy pad bracket, positioned the dingy behind the boat where I wanted it, placed the flat (high) end of the extension into the quick release plate so it sat at the edge of the swim platform (had to take into account the platform curve, I actually positioned the quick release plates a little closer together and have them following the curve of the swim platform, so they are faceing slightly outward toward the dingy and flush with the platform), penciled the position and the drill holes...Weaver sells the bolt system to allow mounting on an integral platform....no tightening from underneath, drilled as instructed, liberally applied 4200...good 2 - 3 hours to install the pads, and good 3 - 4 hours to intall the plates...no sense rushing.

Again, realize that this would be so much easier with pictures...my other issue is that I've recently upgraded our home pc's and have not downloaded the old files and photo's yet, so all my boat pics are sitting on a disconnected hard drive in the basement.

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We splash today. New drives, new bottom paint, new zincs, new "pucks" and just in time for boating season, new higher fuel prices!


Hi congrads on geting the boat back in the water, why did you have to replace the drives?
Thanks Robbi


The drives are Merc. Sea Core and they exhibited some corrosion from just one season in the water. When my mechanic contacted Merc. for submission of warranty work to scrape/sand and repaint the affected areas, Merc told them they wanted the drives back and were sending two new ones. No questions asked. I think as I have posted earlier, that they were not supposed to corrode at all as they did and Merc. wanted to see them and perhaps run tests. Also, the Mercathodes failed and were sent back for examination as well.

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JoeBalt wrote:
Cougar,
I had to do a little trial and error (meaning sending back at least one set of extensions) and of course measuring about eight times before drilling. I think the Weaver site has pretty good instructions...pretty sure my extensions are 4 out 2 down...if you can put the pads on the dingy where they are supposed to go (just above the rubrail) the 4 and 4's you are showing will most probably work...again, I think the Weaver site or a call to their customer service (they were helpful and friendly folk when I called) will give you instructions on the measurements. Overall, I installed the pads on the dingy first, clipped the extension arms to the dingy pad bracket, positioned the dingy behind the boat where I wanted it, placed the flat (high) end of the extension into the quick release plate so it sat at the edge of the swim platform (had to take into account the platform curve, I actually positioned the quick release plates a little closer together and have them following the curve of the swim platform, so they are faceing slightly outward toward the dingy and flush with the platform), penciled the position and the drill holes...Weaver sells the bolt system to allow mounting on an integral platform....no tightening from underneath, drilled as instructed, liberally applied 4200...good 2 - 3 hours to install the pads, and good 3 - 4 hours to intall the plates...no sense rushing.

Again, realize that this would be so much easier with pictures...my other issue is that I've recently upgraded our home pc's and have not downloaded the old files and photo's yet, so all my boat pics are sitting on a disconnected hard drive in the basement.



More specific questions:

1) If you were going to do it again (and not install dinghy pads first) - would you have used the 4 out/4 down?
2) Any thoughts of using the weaver arc rather than a pad as a stand off bracket in the back? Or - was this a non issue because you remove the motor?
3) Did you buy straight from Weaver - or did you go through a distributor of some sort? Any tips on where to get a decent price on that stuff?



I did some basic measurements knowing tube diameter and guessing -- the 4 out/4 down seem like the right idea to get the pads on the RIB closer to the rub rail. I could probably get closer witha 5-6 down - but then it's be interesting coming on/off plane. I do think I'd use the Weaver arc and a front pad for mounting. Not sure on a weaver leaver or pull the motor. That's a tbd.

What are you going to do with the new boat? Same setup - or are you getting some new components?

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Cougar, attached is the only picture I could find that shows any view of the pads on the dingy...you can see they are almost on the top of the tube...it was not that I wanted them there it was that this particular Merc model had a number of line holders and logo treatments glued in areas that precluded me from putting the pads in optimum spots...more specific to your questions:

1) Every instruction I see says put the pads on first and use them with the attached davit to spec the location of the plate on the platform. The extensions are extremely sturdy and offer little flex in hooking to the pad bracket...if you install the plates first and then measure to intall the pads on the tube, you do not want to be off by much or it will mess up the fit. To more specifically answer, If I buy another dingy I will check to see that I can get the pads on the rub rail and would most likely end up with 4 and 4's.

2) The snap davits, once installed, are very easy and efficient, using the removeable plate system just leaves the flat plate on the platform when I'm not using the dingy, so never really looked at the other configs...the fact that the motor fit in the transom is a bonus. I did install one 30" stand off, just above the port side of the transom hatch...don't use it much as the dingy almost lays completley flat upside down on the platform when pulled up, and if you see in the photo how I have the line throught the port tow ring on the dingy...when it is snapped in the davits and that line is attached to the port stern cleat the dingy actually balances very well at just past 90 degrees...so, when comeing into dock, the admiral just pushes the dingy out as if launching it and the line holds it up without the stand off getting in the way...if a little rough or windy she'll attach the stand off...the arc may be a great solution, just have not looked at it.

3) Originally bought from Defender in Watertown CT (if you don't know them they have a large catalog) for our 288, then bought the extension arms for the 318 direct from Weaver...not sure there was much difference in price...I will say it is some of the best made equipment you'll see, so while expensive, not a rip-off...also, my dealer has been great in buying the new swim platform plates for me each time I've moved up in size.

Thought about the "Weaver Leaver", but you may want to check out Adventure Marines Swivel Bracket...I don't have specific experience with either but have seen both...the swivel bracket looked a little better to me.


Basically looking to do the same on the 358, what I'm not sure of is how the installation of the back rail system will effect the mounting and use...if I keep the rail up all the time the dingy will have to connect to it and be in an upright position...may have to pull and stow the rail while under way to have the dingy lie flat...just more of the fun stuff to figure out.

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