What happened?

LVChris · **Posted:** Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:34 am

Ok I am as big a Fan of Four Winns as most people are about their sports team...

what a waste of a Sunday watching sports when you could be on the lake...imho...

but what the he** happened to the new Vista?

It looks like a spaceship,

where did the nice soft curves go? It's a boat not an inter-galactic space fighter. I want to feel relaxed when I am at the helm, not look for the trigger to launch my missles??

Seriously? Look at the nice soft rounded lines of my 1996...

I am even envious of the beauty of the 2007 models...reminds me of a gentle wave

what happened???

Might have to look at Stingrays Ric!

Seriously Four Winns please take a look at what you are shipping, yes they are technologically better, and I am sure the performance has increased a great deal, but you lost the beauty. To me, and I hope many others, that's important.

Cap'n Morgan · **Posted:** Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:30 am

The re-design of Four Winns boats, specifically the 275 Vista and V305 is old news now.
December 2011 thread

November 2010 thread

To answer your question about what happened. It's pretty simple. Platinum Equity, Roch Lambert and Christophe Lavigne(Frenchy)
Here is a blurb from Platinum Equity newsletter.

Quote:

Design and engineering are driving the overhaul of each brand’s best-loved models, and world-class
product designers are creating highly desirable boats that drive sales, and Four Winns’ recent Boat of the Year award
in Europe is testament to the success of the new designs. In addition, carefully listening to customer feedback enables
the brands to increase customer satisfaction with each model year. Revamped operating models,new manufacturing approaches, highly
desirable product design, and realistic views of their markets will sustain each boating brand’s dealer relationships,

So you see, "carefully listening to customers feedback", "creating highly desirable boats that drive sales" and " realistic views of the market"
have led to the Four Winns boats you see today. Get use to it, what you see is what you will see for the forseeable future.

If you prefer more sweeping , flowing lines and soft curves to your boats, you may want to look at other builders designs.

ric · **Posted:** Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:14 am

So I'm guessing you have to buy a Vista if you want windows on your "cuddy"?

rpengr · **Posted:** Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:27 am

ric wrote:

So I'm guessing you have to buy a Vista if you want windows on your "cuddy"?

Or get out your reciprocating saw!

LVChris · **Posted:** Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:17 pm

Cap'n Morgan wrote:

The re-design of Four Winns boats, specifically the 275 Vista and V305 is old news now.
December 2011 thread

November 2010 thread

To answer your question about what happened. It's pretty simple. Platinum Equity, Roch Lambert and Christophe Lavigne(Frenchy)
Here is a blurb from Platinum Equity newsletter.

Quote:

Design and engineering are driving the overhaul of each brand’s best-loved models, and world-class
product designers are creating highly desirable boats that drive sales, and Four Winns’ recent Boat of the Year award
in Europe is testament to the success of the new designs. In addition, carefully listening to customer feedback enables
the brands to increase customer satisfaction with each model year. Revamped operating models,new manufacturing approaches, highly
desirable product design, and realistic views of their markets will sustain each boating brand’s dealer relationships,

So you see, "carefully listening to customers feedback", "creating highly desirable boats that drive sales" and " realistic views of the market"
have led to the Four Winns boats you see today. Get use to it, what you see is what you will see for the forseeable future. If you prefer more sweeping , flowing lines and soft curves to your boats, you may want to look at other builders designs.

Thanks for the Links Cap'N. I am new to Vistas, just got mine this year. When I saw the 2012 I thought the change just happened. In any case glad to know I am not alone in thinking the design is weak. I probably won't be in the market for a new one for at least a few years and I am hoping that if they hear enough comments, they will consider a less boxy design. There's enough to like about Four Winns to not want to "jump ship" to something like a stingray. Just for now I can only buy or recommend pre 2010 for styling.

Cap'n Morgan · **Posted:** Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:31 pm

Oooops, I did forget to mention instead of jumping ship look for a pre 2010 Vista if the new design is not to your liking. I know I would .

LVChris · **Posted:** Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:47 pm

Looks like the latest Four Winns iBoat that Jobs built...

http://www.slashgear.com/steve-jobs-yacht-makes-its-first-official-appearance-29254433/

Jafo4U · **Joined:** Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:33 am **Posts:** 1026

Jobs boat is ugly as sh$t! and I like the older model also, funny i was looking for the machine gun turrets out of the bow also.

LVChris · **Posted:** Fri May 02, 2014 12:52 pm

Had to revive this old topic...I may not like the new Vista's design...but the 290 looks awesome!

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/bod/4450834529.html

blue dragon · **Joined:** Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:01 pm **Posts:** 792

What price?

LVChris · **Posted:** Fri May 02, 2014 1:29 pm

Saw this one for sale in Florida (go buy it Ric

)

http://www.intermarineboats.com/Page.aspx/diid/7642721/list/InventoryList/pageId/149193/view/Details/2014-Four-Winns-Horizon-H290.aspx

it's a steal at $124k!

noexcuses · **Posted:** Fri May 02, 2014 1:50 pm

More natural light in the cabin is great but I'm not sure I like that window.

rpengr · **Posted:** Fri May 02, 2014 1:59 pm

LVChris wrote:

Had to revive this old topic...I may not like the new Vista's design...but the 290 looks awesome!

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/bod/4450834529.html

I like the look of that 290... except hate the nearly black vinyl seating surfaces. Seriously, in Florida those would get so hot you could not only cook an egg, you could fry the bacon too!

ric · **Posted:** Fri May 02, 2014 4:39 pm

I want that.

JeffLW · **Posted:** Fri May 02, 2014 6:57 pm

Cap'n Morgan wrote:

The re-design of Four Winns boats, specifically the 275 Vista and V305 is old news now.
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If you prefer more sweeping , flowing lines and soft curves to your boats, you may want to look at other builders designs.

I'd be interested in the sales numbers for the 305. I've yet to see one on the water. They are fugly. Maybe they are selling in Europe?

www.iFourWinns.com

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