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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:35 pm 
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Hi all,

New to the forum, a prior Larson 280 owner (Twin Merc 4.3's) from several years ago. Looking to get a 30-35 foot express cruiser to use around Sebastian Inlet Fl (East coast, north of Stuart). The boat will be dry stored inside and flushed after each use once I own it.

Have my eyes on a 2007 Vista 318 with low hours (145+/-) with Merc 350 Mag I/O's, as well as a 2006 Chaparral 310 with the same engines (at 180 hours /-). Both appear to be nice boats. Curious to get feedback on the 318, DTS system, and anything else that fellow Four Winns owners may offer as advice. Thanks in advance

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:56 pm 
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I have a 2007 338 with DTS and love it. Shifting is smooth and quiet, the docking mode is handy and the 1 throttle mode makes things simple.

A 318 was what we first wanted before finding the 338. Plenty of room and the boat is great for entertaining. Firecadet may want to chime in as to the setup.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:01 pm 
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jnizi wrote:
I have a 2007 338 with DTS and love it. Shifting is smooth and quiet, the docking mode is handy and the 1 throttle mode makes things simple.

A 318 was what we first wanted before finding the 338. Plenty of room and the boat is great for entertaining. Firecadet may want to chime in as to the setup.


Thanks much. It will be interesting to learn more about the DTS settings (dock mode, and 1 throttle for example).

Being from NY originally, i am also curious to learn about salt water corrosion problems Merc / Bravo 3 owners may have had. With our plans of flushing the engines after each use, I am hopeful that it will extend the life of the engines, but don't know how well it was maintained for the first 140 hours of life. Any thoughts on what to look for on the engines other than obvious exterior corrosion?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:34 pm 
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I would plan on replacing the exhaust manifolds and risers right away, then you don't have to worry about them for 5-6 years. That's the main thing that corrodes. The engine block is good for 25+ years. Thermostat housing about 10 years. (at least that is my experience with OMC/Volvo.

I just bought a set of Manifolds + Risers + Gaskets from http://www.ebasicpower.com for $599 + $69 shipping.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:54 pm 
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I love the 318. I'm pretty familiar with the 338 which is what sold me on the 318. I love DTS, I don't really use the docking mode or one lever. If I need power at the dock, I want it available. I do use sync quite often. As to the bravo III setup, no issues with it. Mine was a salty, flushed and rack stored. No issues thus far. I've got a seven month old and there is enough room in the cabin for his play pen and we can still move around. I've got the 5.0s, wish I had the 5.7s.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:17 pm 
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Another VERY satisfied 2007 318 owner here. I have DTS. Will never use anything else again. A big fan of the one lever and docking mode controls. Same 350 MAGS you are looking at. Everyone at the marina loves the boat with the biggest compliments associated with style and luxury appointments from the looks side of things and the ability to get on plane with power to spare with all tanks full and have a dozen grown ups on board. Finally the wife never wants to leave once down there. Gotta love mamas approval....


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:10 pm 
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I've got the combined throttle/shifter controls on our 348 (essentially the same thing as DTS) and likewise would not consider another boat unless it had the same kind of feature.

You don't really know how much of a convenience it is until you've tried docking with separate shifters and throttles in a challenging situation. When things get hairy you really don't need the added hassle. It's just sooo much easier with combined sticks.

I second the suggestion to put replacing the manifolds/risers on the immediate to-do list. Unless you know the boat was on a lift or trailered. That might buy a little more time. But if it was wet-slipped in salt water then corrosion's always doing it's thing. Not a deal-breaker, just a fact of life.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:47 pm 
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We are looking for a similar boat also, infact I am pretty sure we are familiar with both the boats you have mentioned. The 318 is in Daytona Beach and the Chaparral in New Smyrna? The most serious concern we had on the 318 was how the water lines coming from the stern drives feeding the engines were cut and new thru-hulls were installed suggesting to me that they could have had a serious corrosion problem at the transom assembly, bravo's are known to do this in salt water. We also noticed there was water damage in the bow in the cabin. The trailer it is sat on is bent and it looks like rainwater has not been able to drain because of the angle it has been sat on the trailer. It's such a shame that it has sat so long ( I did notice the registration sticker expired Sep 2012) and just left to deteriorate. I wish we had been looking a year ago!

The Chaparral seemed to be upkept in a better condition but we did have concerns about the corrosion on the radar arch & forward bilge pump wasn't working. We were also looking for an aft stateroom table which it didn't have.

Good luck with your boat hunting, I hope we each find something that suits our needs! I'd be interested to know your thoughts on the boats!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:28 pm 
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If you are interested, I am selling my 2007 338 Vista. I have replaced my XDP drives and gone to the new Ocean X series. My manifolds and risers were replaced a year ago. We were originally interested in the 318, but decided to go with the 338 for the extra room and features. The boat is running great and we are keeping it for the summer in Islamorada. PM me for more info.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:54 am 
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Nightmoves wrote:
We are looking for a similar boat also, infact I am pretty sure we are familiar with both the boats you have mentioned. The 318 is in Daytona Beach and the Chaparral in New Smyrna? The most serious concern we had on the 318 was how the water lines coming from the stern drives feeding the engines were cut and new thru-hulls were installed suggesting to me that they could have had a serious corrosion problem at the transom assembly, bravo's are known to do this in salt water. We also noticed there was water damage in the bow in the cabin. The trailer it is sat on is bent and it looks like rainwater has not been able to drain because of the angle it has been sat on the trailer. It's such a shame that it has sat so long ( I did notice the registration sticker expired Sep 2012) and just left to deteriorate. I wish we had been looking a year ago!

The Chaparral seemed to be upkept in a better condition but we did have concerns about the corrosion on the radar arch & forward bilge pump wasn't working. We were also looking for an aft stateroom table which it didn't have.

Good luck with your boat hunting, I hope we each find something that suits our needs! I'd be interested to know your thoughts on the boats!


Yup, it sounds like those are the same 2 boats. Looked at them both on Monday. The broker showed us the Chaparral in the water. Nice guy. The boat was super oxidized on the topsides, which was foolish since the lower 1/2 had been detailed and buffed in June when they had it out of the water. The cabin had a real strong mold smell despite the fact the AC was on & I saw a bunch of mildew when we lifted up the front berth mattress. Yuck, no thanks, NEXT....

The condition of the 318 is indeed a real shame. The interior didn't have any smell issues, and looked quite nice. I had not examined closely enough to see the bow water damage. I am not familiar with how Bravo's "should" look (only owned alphas) but I did notice a hose in the outdrive that appeared to have been simply cut in 1/2. It raised a flag that I would have looked into later, had we been interested. After some pestering, the broker provided us with all work receipts on the boat. Quite a laundry list of stuff that has gone wrong, but the occurrences of water in the fuel was enough to scare me off for good. Also the exterior condition was worse than I expected. Yes, the glass on the canvas appeared new, but the bimini was covered in mildew, and the whole topside was an oxidized mess. I set the viewing date several days in advance, and suggested to the broker that the seller may want to have the boat detailed to make his job easier, since I am serious about buying. The fact that it looked that rough and nobody lifted a finger to detail it for sale just tells me that they didn't give a hoot about the boat. It is really an unbelievable shame to let a boat go like that. Frankly, after seeing how badly these boats looked, and the litany of problems that the 318 had since new, it has somewhat frightened the Admiral and me off the idea.... I really don't need that much of a pain in the A$$..... kind of depressing.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:19 pm 
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BarryBoats wrote:
If you are interested, I am selling my 2007 338 Vista. I have replaced my XDP drives and gone to the new Ocean X series. My manifolds and risers were replaced a year ago. We were originally interested in the 318, but decided to go with the 338 for the extra room and features. The boat is running great and we are keeping it for the summer in Islamorada. PM me for more info.

PM sent. Thanks

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:45 pm 
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If you don't mind some serious engineering flaws, it's a great boat. You have to be gumby to do any work in the engine bay. Why the galley sink goes into a shower sump to then go overboard anyways boggles me. Don't get me wrong, I guess I'm just sayin, but the boat itself is great to get on plane, fits my crew of 4 fine, looks great, and has tons of storage.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:55 am 
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318boating wrote:
If you don't mind some serious engineering flaws, it's a great boat. You have to be gumby to do any work in the engine bay. Why the galley sink goes into a shower sump to then go overboard anyways boggles me. Don't get me wrong, I guess I'm just sayin, but the boat itself is great to get on plane, fits my crew of 4 fine, looks great, and has tons of storage.


It probably has to with the grey water tank option, switching one hose allows you to go overboard or to the tank.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:57 pm 
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That '07 318 was on the market last year when I bought my '08. The pics kept me away....now I know the true condition of it.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:46 pm 
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firecadet613 wrote:
That '07 318 was on the market last year when I bought my '08. The pics kept me away....now I know the true condition of it.


Yeah, a real shame. Wish I could find a reasonably priced, merc-drive 318. Looking at what some of the 338 owners want has us thinking of going back up to a Meridian 341 for the condo like experience. I know it is apples and oranges, but if I'm spending $100k+, I think I would rather go that direction...

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