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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:02 am 
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Hello everyone,

I've just found and joined this Four Winns forum today. I've recently purchased a 2005 348 Vista and very excited to start this year's boating season. (My company sent me to Germany for 3 months just as I took delivery..... Won't see her again until June 1st!!)

I've got two questions about the 348 that I'm hoping one of you in cyberspace can help with:

1) How do you gain access to the inside of the dash to service the electronics? I'm guessing you have to pry out the electrical switches and reach around to bolts on the inside.

2) The aft locker door is bowed out which has allowed water to get in and destroy the plywood shelf. Is this common and has anyone come up with a fix.

Thanks in advance and look forward to chatting.
Dave

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:06 am 
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Not sure on yours but my 248 has 8 screws on the dash i have to take off.

Welcome aboard.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:33 am 
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Hey Dave and welcome aboard!

In case you haven't seen it yet, there is a comprehensive (31 pages and counting) thread devoted to our boats here covering lots and lots of ground.

What chartplotter do you have? If it's the C or E series Raymarine, after you carefully remove the the plastic faceplate of the unit there are four screws fixing it to the helm. Tilt down your steering wheel, place a towel on top of it and lay the unit there after removing the screws. I have pictures of what this looks like if you need them.

The transom locker issue has been well documented and is one of the few design flaws in these models that really annoys me. Mine bows out slightly as well and I am planning on attempting some sort of weather stripping or gasket to keep out the water. I don't recall what others have done but I am sure they will chime in soon. You may consider re-posting on the other thread as this is all great info to have consolidated over there.

If I hit the Sound again this summer I will hopefully be up your way so I'll be picking your brain about marinas and anchorages nearby!

Again, welcome. And before any one else says it, more pictures please 8)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:04 pm 
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Hey just wanted to welcome you the Four Winns family.

Sierra nailed everything that you have ask. We are thinking of doing the same thing to the locker. Just have not have time to try anything yet. I think some type of weather strip should work.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:04 pm 
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Sierra and Cattailspa:

Thank you so much for the responses.

I've come up with two thoughts on the door. The first was to install a Perko Flush Mount Latch in the center of the door to pull the middle in. The second was to remove the door, place it in a jig to hold it flat, and to fiberglass in a metal bar. Weather stripping would be a great addition to either solution. I'll update the forum with how I make out in June.

Cattialspa: The picture of your 348 on the hook is a beautiful sight.

Having only seen my boat once since purchasing it I really don't have any great pictures yet. The one in my signature line was during a quick trip home for Easter.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:47 am 
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Sierra wrote:
If it's the C or E series Raymarine, after you carefully remove the the plastic faceplate of the unit there are four screws fixing it to the helm.

The transom locker issue has been well documented and is one of the few design flaws in these models that really annoys me. Mine bows out slightly as well and I am planning on attempting some sort of weather stripping or gasket to keep out the water.


This is right on the money. To get the bezel off the chartplotter you may want to pick up an upholstery's tack puller tool. The tool has a split fork in the tip, and a bit of an angle to it. This lets you get leverage under the edges of the bezel to pop it loose. If you use a screwdriver alone you'll risk leaving a gouge in the plastic. When you use the tack puller you'll also want to slip something like a matchbook cover behind the tool where it gets leverage against the dash surface. Just something to cushion the pressure point to avoid leaving a mark. The bezel clicks on there TIGHT and really can't be removed without some sort of prying tool. I believe the Raymarine install manual shows the setup. There are four slots, two each on the left and right, that you use to pry the bezel off. Just make sure you only insert the tool about 1/8" inch. You'll just popping off the bezel, not prying the whole unit out. Once the bezel is off there's four screws at the corners.

This is what that sort of tool looks like:
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I got mine as part of a 20 or 30 piece set from Harbor Freight. They're cheap tools and not very good quality. But given the harsh environment on the boat I'd rather have cheap tools getting ruined rather than really expensive stainless ones. That and I've lost at least 3 screwdrivers going overboard, long before they'd have rusted out.

I put some thick white weather stripping around the top of my transom door. It put it in a U shape, with about 4" coming down along the port/starboard sides. I did have to adjust the door striker clips a little. I had to replace the screws holding them in with bolts as the screws had stripped. I sloped the stripping a bit to encourage better drainage. It's slightly higher at the middle.

This is what I used and how it's set up:
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Also note I've removed the shelf inside that locker. I found it was better to hang some loops for the lines instead of leaving everything piled onto the shelving. I bought the kind of loops designed to fit over bow rails. I cut them in half and then screwed the 2 remaining loop parts to the back of the locker area. Works nicely for keeping the lines organized and gives them a chance to hang-dry instead of sitting in a musty pile.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:07 am 
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Bill,

I do like the idea of removing the shelf. With the original design, the space both above and below the shelf it too small for anything but lines and shore power cords.

I'm probably going to have to go a little farther than just weather stripping. The center of the locker door has bowed out about 3/8". The two sides where the latches are located are tight (certainly not water tight!). If I can get the door straight, that weather stripping looks like it will keep most of the water out.

Thanks.
David

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:47 am 
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dplsys wrote:
The center of the locker door has bowed out about 3/8". The two sides where the latches are located are tight (certainly not water tight!). If I can get the door straight, that weather stripping looks like it will keep most of the water out.

When our 348 was new the door was slightly bowed, I had them replace it. Or, I pointed out the bowing and they delivered a boat without a the door being bowed. I'm assuming they replaced the door. I would think the hull warranty aspect would be applicable here since it's a manufacturing flaw, not something that would happen due to normal use (or even abuse).

Just as the sides have latches, it would be possible to install a latch at the top center. It wouldn't be any more noticeable than the side latches, other than the catch mounted in the locker. I suppose you could do something like take the door off and rest it such that some weights reversed the bowing. A bit of time out in the hot sun would probably do it. Of course then you'd run the risk of over-correcting the bend! I'm no fiberglass expert so I'm just guessing.

The shelf removes easily, just a lot of screws. I have mine saved for when I eventually sell it. It really does give more useful room in the locker. The key being the installation of loops for hanging the lines.

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 10:32 am 
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Welcome and congratulations on your new purchase. Our 358 was delivered with the bow in the transom locker as well and it was replaced and fortified with rubber gaskets. Still not perfect but better. Maybe I will try shelf removal too. We have an eight-day trip planned and could use the too. Please move this thread to 348/358.

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