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Author:  woggy718 [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:28 am ]
Post subject:  Head will not pump in water
I have the manual pump head in my 248 Vista. I opened the sea cock and used the outside fresh water for my flushing for about 3 weekends. The previous owners never used this feature and choose to flush the head using fresh water from the head faucet. The first time I used the pump head, there was a lot of black crud that flushed into the head from the water line. Now, my pump will not draw water in at all from the outside of the boat. Does anyone know where or if there is some sort of strainer or filter that I can check to see if it might be clogged? Is there anything else I should check to get the water flowing back to my head?
Author:  teker [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:41 am ]
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Take the top of the pump off and clean the joker valve. Most likely some dirt won't let the flap close. I don't think they put a strainer on the manual head. I converted mine to ele. and installed a filter.
Author:  wkearney99 [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:47 am ]
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The previous owners used fresh water for a reason. You're inviting trouble making the switch, as you've already seen. Granted, that's probably due to their not using the raw water intake and crud getting built-up into the lines.
Author:  woggy718 [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:52 pm ]
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wkearney99 wrote:
The previous owners used fresh water for a reason. You're inviting trouble making the switch, as you've already seen. Granted, that's probably due to their not using the raw water intake and crud getting built-up into the lines.


It seems a lot of people feel that way about using the raw water to flush the head and I don't understand why. I am using fresh water, not salt water, so odor isn't a big issue. I have a hunch that my problems are from non-use by the previous owners and I will have to check the joker valve.
Author:  jvalich [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:38 pm ]
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I am using fresh water, not salt water, so odor isn't a big issue.


YET :P
Author:  248 Vista [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:37 pm ]
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All sorts of little creatures live in fresh water and will make your holding tank their new home. Unless you flush out that tank all the time I wouldnt use that water.
Author:  Giaccamo [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:55 pm ]
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jvalich wrote:
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I am using fresh water, not salt water, so odor isn't a big issue.


YET :P


So True!

I learned this half way thru my 1st Season with the boat, and since then have actually shut off the intake valve, and only use the fresh water from the shower nozzle.

But then again considering I am in the Hudson River, using the fresh water really is a "No-Brainer" when you think about it!!!
Author:  Fred 248 Vista [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:56 pm ]
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I use lake water for the head, no problems after 7 seasons. My boating is on Lake Huron or Lake Michigan,so the water is always fresh. I add 1/2 cup of a product called "Odorlos" after each pump out. As far as your pump goes, your may find it easier to just replace the whole pump assembly, rather than messing with rebuilding your existing one. Just my 2 cents.



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Author:  Brett248Vista [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:52 pm ]
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My pump wasn't working either (on an 06!) so I emailed ITT (Marinco, Guest, Jabsco conglomerate) and they sent me a new Joker Valve and the new gasket that goes up in the top of the pump head where the wet/dry bowl selector is.

Worked like a charm! Pumps water in great now and nope there is no strainer on the raw water seacock for the turlet. After I pump out my holding tank I add about a gallon of fresh water and a bottle of Thetford Champochem Natural (no formaldahyde) available in six pack boxes at Wally World cheap! No smell from using raw (fresh) water.
Author:  Brett248Vista [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:56 pm ]
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My pump wasn't working either (on an 06!) so I emailed ITT (Marinco, Guest, Jabsco conglomerate) and they sent me a new Joker Valve and the new gasket that goes up in the top of the pump head where the wet/dry bowl selector is.

Worked like a charm! Pumps water in great now and nope there is no strainer on the raw water seacock for the turlet. After I pump out my holding tank I add about a gallon of fresh water and a bottle of Thetford Champochem Natural (no formaldahyde) available in six pack boxes at Wally World cheap! No smell from using raw (fresh) water.
Author:  Choices II [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:38 pm ]
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On occasion I have had to prime my system if it has been out of the water and gotten some air in the line someplace. I can pump and pump and no water will run into the head, just the sound of rushing air. To do this I pull the small hose off the top of the pump that runs to the head. I then cover the male end (the end attached to the pump) with my hand when I lift up on the pump handle, then take my hand off when I push back down (maybe I do it backwards, I cant remember when I cover it for sure right now but I think I'm right). I repeat this 3 times or so and get the water into the system, then everything works fine. Not a big deal to me, does not happen everytime and I don't close the seacocks when I pull it out of the lake so the water runs out.

Lake water is fine for me in the head. If we use the head, when we are done with our weekend, or however long we get to stay, I put some blue stuff in the bowl and flush it down so it gets in the tank and in the lines. Empty it out and then rinse with more than a gallon of water, maybe a few gallons and suck that out.
Author:  woggy718 [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:39 pm ]
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I am going to take the pump apart to see if I can find something either clogged or defective. With regards to the odor, It's not really an issue. I always flush the tank with about 5-10 gallons of water when I pump out and put some green stuff (tank deodorizer) in it, and away we go, no problems.
Author:  woggy718 [ Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:58 am ]
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Well, we diagnosed the problem. Inside the pump, there is a rubber ring around the pump shaft where it enters the pump that was deteriorated. We put some plumbers grease on it and it's working..............for now. I need to get a rebuild kit for it. Does anyone know exactly what comes in that kit?
Author:  mkivbren [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:28 pm ]
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Hmm. I've been using the onboard water to fill the pot so far this season. I just cracked open the seacock and to no avail - not pumping in any raw water. I'll open it up tommorow and see if I can do the things you guys speak of. Maybe Brett, if you have that contact info, could list it up if I can't get it going I'll email them.

On a side note, my hot water heater doesn't appear to be working either :cry:
Author:  Brett248Vista [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:28 pm ]
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mkivbren wrote:
Hmm. I've been using the onboard water to fill the pot so far this season. I just cracked open the seacock and to no avail - not pumping in any raw water. I'll open it up tommorow and see if I can do the things you guys speak of. Maybe Brett, if you have that contact info, could list it up if I can't get it going I'll email them.

On a side note, my hot water heater doesn't appear to be working either :cry:


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