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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:05 am 
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all i know is i read this thread on the ANARCHY site and laugh every day.. i wish my buddy in SAn had a boat.. i have told him about this chaotic monstrosity..

it reminds me of this (BOX toaster Cube barge) dinner cruise boat in charleston sc growing up an investor had it built.. and did horrible displacement math and didn't calculate the freeboard correctly... long story short about the bad design.. basically they loaded it the hell down and once 100 people get on it. if there is anything more than 1' chop the bow goes into the wage.. my dad did an insurance survey a few years back and the man wanted it insured for a big 6 figure amount. and my dad flat out told the ins company that he has seen the boat ont he water and it will sink if its not dead calm.. non the less now it is docked 99% the time and was a waist of money and should never have been built in the first place..


now i have personally been on and seen the construction of a large CAT.. family friends built the boat.. the Palmetto Breeze and she is a PROPPER boat design.. and the FH is well.........NOT

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:12 am 
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I am wondering if he got his insured? You would think you would have to. What if he lost control and hits another boat, He would have to be able to cover the damages. Something like his boat is neat , but it needs to be in a quarry or a lake not Open Waters. Soon there will be alot of Drift wood washing up for the Crafty people out there. :(

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:09 pm 
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Toddely wrote:
I am wondering if he got his insured? You would think you would have to. What if he lost control and hits another boat, He would have to be able to cover the damages. Something like his boat is neat , but it needs to be in a quarry or a lake not Open Waters. Soon there will be alot of Drift wood washing up for the Crafty people out there. :(

This may vary by state, but in Florida, we are not required by the gov't to carry any insurance on a boat. However, finance companies will require that you have insurance if you use the boat as collateral for a loan. I doubt that Rod has insurance on that plywood contraption.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:11 pm 
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i am not required to have INS on my boat. and thus is true for SC not required unless stated by the loan... but then again for $100 a year why not have it..

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Someone nailed it when they said HR built a garden shed in the shape of a boat. 3/8" CDX on 4' x 4' centers. The guy squandered his life savings, his mother's and his son's on what, a POS that won't float for two months.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:31 pm 
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298VISTA2000 wrote:
Someone nailed it when they said HR built a garden shed in the shape of a boat. 3/8" CDX on 4' x 4' centers. The guy squandered his life savings, his mother's and his son's on what, a POS that won't float for two months.



exactly.. now if his core skeleton construction was "proper boat" construction then this would simply be an ugly boat.. but it is built like shit and the only strength is the 500# of screws.. the structure as a whole should be one entire load unit.. i am willing ot bet the moment a loat is put on those sails that there will be failure..

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:27 pm 
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Recent pics posted by Spoffo on Sailing Anarchy

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:53 pm 
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I didn't think of this (see quote form Sailing Anarchy thread below):

Posted Today, 04:29 PM

Thanks again Spoffo!

That panel is really pronounced isn't it. There's a definite curve to the foredeck as well.

Next question. As there's obviously rocks in the mud,how likely is it that there's rocks poking holes through to bare ply or severe point loading on parts of the keels?

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Damn that thing looks like a dump close up.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:48 pm 
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Spoffo's commentary on the above pictures:

Posted Today, 05:02 PM

OK. So I got over there around 8:30 this morning - about 40 minutes after low tide. For those who want to see for themselves, by far the best place is the shoreline path that starts by Pickleweed park. They're only about 40 yards off there - close enough to hear (at least when HR is screaming.) Speaking of which I'm pretty sure I heard HR refer to the Viking as "Michael" - but I still like Viking. it fits the inner man.

They certainly were high & dry. You could see daylight under the aft 20 feet or so of the near hull. Both HR and the Viking were in the water with what looked like big sheetrock taping knives, scraping off the scum around the waterline. (of course this did nothing about the thick underwater forrest you could see on the bottoms of both FH and the bayliner, but it was a cosmetic improvement.) The place where the anchor line had dug into the port bow yesterday has been patched with what looks like fiberglass tape and epoxy.

The anchoring situation is hard to figure out. The main anchor line now leads off the bow in the opposite direction from yesterday, and there were a bunch of tracks in the mud that would be consistent with someone walking out to the anchor and moving it around to the other side, but that makes no sense at all in terms of trying to float it today when the tide comes in. It seems more likely that the boat floated around to the other side of the anchor during high tide last night. (I'll have to check previous pix against the shoreline and see if I can sort that out.) Speaking of anchors, HR has the anchor winch back in business - at east the anchor line is wound on it again - and the whole assembly is now attached by two honking great bolts that go completely through the entire foredeck and stick out at least 6" into the tunnel. (See 4th picture)

I now doubt my speculation about the marina towboat being involved in whatever happened yesterday. 1) Looking at their location, there's no way someone who knows what he's doing would have tried to power into that spot or push them off. 2) It turns out that those black marks on the starboard bow weren't rub marks from tires or bumpers, they were just mud. HR and The Viking washed them off as the tide started back in.

Of course, that leaves the question of how and why all those marks got there yesterday. There's a possible answer in the 3rd picture: Viking is standing near a V-shaped track in the mud that definitely looks like it was made by a boat. When I look at the point of the V through my scope, I can see several good-sized rocks that look like they were kicked up - - - by a prop? What if that V were made yesterday when they tried to push or pull FH with the Bayliner, and the bent prop Rod was talking about was his? Maybe HR sent the viking into the marina to ask them to repair the prop, and his idea was that they owed this to him because at some earlier time the marina was responsible (in Rod's mind) for a hole that got put in his boat. The Bayliner was motoring very slowly on the way back from the marina and was towing the dinghy, which would make sense if they were hoping to leave the motorboat for repair. HR's screaming tirade was initially directed at Michael, and would fit perfectly if he felt that Michael took "no" (or more likely, "Go **** yourself") for an answer too easily and that he, the Rod-man himself, would have won them over.

After I took the pictures, I moved around to my other viewpoint to check out the stern tobacco road. (for locals who want to see for yourself, drive out Point San Pedro Rd toward the marina But turn right into the San Pedro Cove neighborhood. Then follow the little blue signs for the public shoreline overlook. Bring a scope or good binos, it's quite a way from the boat, thus no pix from there.) My observations 1) The chain I saw yesterday is still down into the water off the back porch, but i'm not sure if there's an anchor on it. It comes up over the lip of the back porch and seems to just disappear into a large pile of metallic junk between the motorcycle and the BBQ. However, there is now a tackle rigged to the fitting in the center of the aft edge of the porch roof (the same one the mizzen is sheeted to) so maybe they were somehow trying to horse the boat around yesterday using the chain and that. 2) there is a green garden hose running from inside the cabin across the back porch and down into the water. There was some sort of machine running full time inside the boat yesterday afternoon so maybe we've found the missing bilge pump outlet. (A cheap pump from the hardware store and a garden hose would definitely be in the spirit of FH.)

We're coming up on high tide. Maybe I'll run back over and see how they're getting on.

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heck yea this gets better every day.. lol

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Do we have a pool going for when this thing sinks?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 7:30 am 
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The Flyin' Hawaiian is still floating but this pic says it all.

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Posted Yesterday, 11:10 PM
Sorry about the lack of a morning report. I actually had to do a few real things today. (No, I haven't been imprisoned in the FH bilge yet, tho for a moment this afternoon, I thought they were after me - see below)

I did stop by to check up both a little after low tide this morning and right around high tide. I also took some pix, and if any of them help illustrate what follows, I'll post them later.

Morning report: FH was clearly aground again, right where he was yesterday. However, he was pointed the other way i.e. bow north and stern tobacco road facing the prevailing southerly breezes. This has to be a big advantage for him in ventilating the cabin (a need that no doubt has become quite poignant by now.) Take another look at all the pix and you'll realize that FH has absolutely no provision for forcing ventilation through when bow to wind.

It also has an enormous advantage for us - - we can see the back porch and back steps from the shoreline path. That's where a lot of interesting action takes place and it was pretty much out of sight ever since he arrived at this location.

He also has a reasonable set of anchors in place instead of the weird mess of yesterday: one at the bow, one at the stern, each with decent looking scope. This doesn't get him any closer to deep water, but it should keep him from swinging into even shallower mud My problem is that, given his apparent cluelessness about kedging and such, I have no effing idea how he did this. I know that his bow anchor is the same one he's had all along (you can tell by the distinctive knot in the line about 20 feet out) and it's possible that the one off the stern is the little Danforth he was messing with yesterday. My best guess is that they pulled in that second anchor after I left yesterday afternoon, and FH then swung on its one anchor during high tide last night when the breeze went around to NW and the tide came in around midnight. If the tide then went out before that night wind changed, they could have grounded in position with bow facing south. But how they got the second anchor out to a decent distance to stabilize themselves in that position we'll never know (at least until HR writes his book.)

In any case they really didn't do much during the morning visit. they just puttered around with this and that. The most interesting thing, now that we can see the back of the boat while it's grounded is how GIGANTIC those rudders are (picture to follow) and, as I was scanning them through the glasses, it looked to me like the starboard one was beginning to work and open up a seam between the board it's attached to and the planking in the tunnel. (I tried to capture this in a picture. I don't know yet if I have. It was pretty small.) Remember, this is the rudder that took quite a beating when he was anchored out at China Camp and FH Jr. pounded on it as HR tried to tie up Jr. in a healthy chop.

Afternoon Report: I came back around 2:30, pretty close to high tide. FH was floating very easily on its two anchors in the usual southerly breeze, and the ladies in the cabin were probably ecstatic about the fresh air.

Speaking of the ladies, as I was watching the back porch someone new stepped out through the sliding door. To date the only woman I've seen is the one I assume is Mrs. Rod. Sort of solid-looking lady in maybe her 50s or 60s with gray hair, which she often wears loosely pinned up. (We know Mom is onboard, but someone said she's an invalid, and I've never seen anyone with a mobility problem.) The new lady was shorter than Mrs. Rod, chubbier and appeared somewhat younger. She also had long reddish hair very similar to the Viking's! I don't know if she's been aboard all along or just joined them, but I certainly could believe she's the viking's sister . . . or maybe he married a woman who looks a lot like himself (it happens.) IN any case, we should all welcome her into our virtual circle.

Even though the boat was floating, there didn't seem to be any movement toward trying to get it into deeper water. The reason became clear when I saw HR pop up from the Bayliner with a long set of jumper cables in his hand. I have no idea what he was trying to do with them, but his body language said it hadn't worked. He coiled the jumpers and put them into the cabin. Shortly thereafter, he helped the viking pull the little dinghy out of the tunnel, jump in and start paddling toward the shore. That's when I figured they were going to grab me and throw me in the bilge with the other snoops.

But thankfully, he headed toward a different part of the shoreline path. He re-appeared a minute or two later paddling back to FH with a passenger. It was a young guy with a short dark crew cut. (Let's call him "New Guy.") This was no tour visit. As soon as he scrambled up onto FH he headed for the Bayliner, which already had the back seat/engine cover propped open. He spent the next 15 minutes out of sight, presumably looking at the engine. At one point HR joined him and they both were handling a shiny metallic object about the size of a 4-barrel carb, but most of the time Rod and the viking were hanging over the rail of FH watching him from above.

Then, as quickly as he'd gone to work, he was up on the foredeck having a serious conversation with the Viking while HR puttered with the Bayliner engine. After 10 minutes of quiet, intense talk, Viking left to join HR and New Guy lay back to take a nap or wait for his ride home.

Like a good silent movie, you don't need sound to understand the story. As I read it, FH Jr. has refused to start ever since Viking drove it back from the marina the day of Rod's screaming fit. (Perhaps because a bent prop had shaken it half to death.) The jumper cables were because HR had run out the battery trying to start it. New guy was their chosen engine expert, and what he found was bad news - - so bad that he wanted to convey it quietly to Michael rather than trigger an explosion from Rod.

A non-functioning Bayliner would seem to leave them depending on the kindness of strangers to avoid an eternity of going on and off the mud right there by the shoreline path.

Stay tuned.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 7:36 am 
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Here is an enlightening post and a link to many pictures: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jbl2nqchs419nbm/L0bozpfeAg

Posted Yesterday, 11:30 PM

A reliable local source mentioned that HR and son were trudging through the mud to set anchors for FH. As well, the CG had to nose the FH off the rocks of one of the Sisters islands about two weeks ago with the FH under sail using the small mizzen plus a genoa. About 1.5 knots pushing FH against the rocks too. First the CG provided a line or cable that HR and crew attached to a windlass. Alas, no more windlass for it went airborne as soon as the CG tugged. CG then took a different position and nosed the FH away from the rocks.

Lastly, the bent prop resulted from HR or his son aboard FH jr attempting to leave the Loch Lomond bait dock under full throttle. Jr jumped onto the dock, really, stuff happened and eventually the boat returned to the water.

Fortunately nobody was hurt or killed in these two incidents which fully illustrate the reckless folly of FH's situation.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:42 pm 
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I'll just throw this out there, at the risk of sounding like I'm defending them... the thing has been floating for awhile now. It seems to me they're just making their situation worse by sitting there in the bay. Hell, it floats, presumably the sails will raise, so go somewhere. :)

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