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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:15 pm 
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So, Four Winns was bought. This means that warranty, parts, etc are all intact and will remain as usual.



Not 100% true yet. Platinum Equity has submitted the winning bid to acquire Four Winns. It will not be final until 1/20/10. The warranty statement is pure speculation.

Here are the facts at this time.

1.) Platinum Equity LLC was the winning bidder at $70 million for most of the assets of the company .

2.) Irwin Jacobs and a business partner submitted the winning bid for the yacht group at $6.05 million.

3.) MCBC Hydraboats LLC was the final winning bidder, acquiring Hydra-Sports for $1 million.

The winning bids go to the court for review in a hearing on 1/13/10.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:22 pm 
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I think to get lean they will have to shed or combine brands. How long the spend in this depends on how much cash the thing generates. The got the company on the cheap and in a bad economy so they bought low.

If it's a solid performer, they'll stick with it. When the day comes that the boat industry sees an upswing they'll sell high.

For such a relatively small buyers market, there seems to be an awful lot of brands and competition.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:15 pm 
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Uh oh, go look at the comment posted under the article posted above. One thing is for certain, the "troops" are not one to pull punches.

I could certainly see them move a plant(s) to Mexico for cost cutting. Most management teams need bullets on their cost and quality improvements plans and head count costs is the easiest knob to turn.

Let's hope it doesn't happen.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:20 pm 
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If anyone thinks it's back to business as usual just because there's a new owner, well, I'd be amazed if that's the case. If business as usual worked, Genmar wouldn't have gone into bankruptcy. The new owner will have to make some significant changes to how the business operates. That could include boat lines, warranty details, you name it. The fact that FW is now (or soon will be) owned by an investment firm should, IMO, tell us something.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:21 pm 
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Uh oh, go look at the comment posted under the article posted above. [ ] I could certainly see them move a plant(s) to Mexico for cost cutting.


At first I thought the comment posted under that article was a joke some CSR member was playing on us, but it isn't.
http://www.upnorthlive.com/news/story.aspx?id=399225

The CEO of Platinum, Tom Gores, is a self-made man and knows value when he sees it which is a good thing. In other words, I doubt he is going to let some Mexican screw up the quality of the Four Winn's product. The only thing that concerns me about the man is how he screwed his brother's wife. :shock:

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:32 pm 
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The CEO of Platinum, Tom Gores, .... The only thing that concerns me about the man is how he screwed his brother's wife. :shock:


There's certain things a man does in his life that will define/tranish his character forever. If what you say is true, he's not much of a man in my opinion. That's about as low as you can go.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:15 pm 
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A few more facts are being released.

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Former Genmar Chairman Irwin Jacobs told IBI that Platinum Equity purchased all the assets except the Carver and Marquis brands, which he acquired separately with business partner John Paul DeJoria. Jacobs said he made an agreement with Platinum Equity to purchase several other Genmar brands and facilities at a later date. "They said they would be glad to negotiate with me in good faith," said Jacobs. "I trust these people. We got to know them over the last three months." The former Genmar chief added that he doesn't expect Platinum Equity to shut down any brands. "These people will do an incredible job," said Jacobs. "They have all the resources to work with. I think every factory and dealer will be happy with them." Jacobs intends to purchase the Larson, Fincraft and Seaswirl brands as well as rights to VEC technology and the VEC factory in Little Falls, Minnesota. He also wants to purchase the Triumph brand and its production facility in North Carolina.

Jacobs said his new company, J&D LLC, will not have a corporate structure like Genmar did. He will let the brands and factories manage themselves under a "profit-loss" system. "We're discontinuing all corporate overhead and going back to the old way of doing business," he said. "I've complained about other companies that didn't do a good job of managing their businesses, but we were guilty, too."

Jacobs said he would keep "core" management at Carver, Marquis, and the other brands he acquires. Jacobs' new partner, John Paul Jones DeJoria, is a self-made billionaire from Los Angeles, who owns John Paul Mitchell Systems and has interests in a string of other companies that range from Ultimat Vodka to Sun King Solar. Forbes estimates he is worth US$4bn.


IBI News (8 January 2010)

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:51 am 
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Some more positive news for the State of Michigan and the city of Cadillac.
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Jacobs said Platinum’s plan is to move manufacturing operations of the Glastron line from Minnesota to Cadillac.


More details here: http://www.cadillacnews.com/story_news/ ... &year=2010

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:46 am 
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Jacobs said Platinum’s plan is to move manufacturing operations of the Glastron line from Minnesota to Cadillac.


Makes perfect sense, having the Cadillac plan opperate at capacity on two brands my provide enough operating leverage to make the aquisition worthwhile.
The question is; Will Glastrons be made the old fashion way going forward? Cadillac is not a VEC plan.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:34 pm 
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Guys this has been a great and informative thread. Sadly I have no information of value to offer that hasn’t already been said—but I am really appreciative of the people who have done the research and passed it on. I have been very worried about the Genmar Ch 11—I have some serous warranty work that needs to get done (for about 2 1/2 months) and have been on “hold.” The disconcerting issues is I need to get this warranty work complete prior to summer—I have already planned and financed (Saved) for two trips to the Bahamas. If I have to foot the warranty work on my bill…well let’s just say I am down to one trip to the Bahamas. So once again, thanks for passing on the information—it is truly very helpful in making future plans for my family.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:00 pm 
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Gettin' a little ugly between the secured creditors and Irv the Liquidator. Four Winns should be fine, but the judge will be earning his pay it appears. 8)
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The Official Committee of Unsecured Creditors in the Genmar bankruptcy case is asking a judge to set aside the results of last week's auction or, alternatively, deny approval of Irwin Jacobs' bid for the Carver and Marquis lines. "The committee objects to Jacobs, an insider, or his non-debtor affiliates using any of their assets to reacquire portions of the debtor's businesses while leaving over 4,000 unsecured creditors, owed over $100 million, unpaid," the committee said in court documents.


View article here

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:04 pm 
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What kind of drugs are these guys smoking?????
Did they actually think there would be a surplus of money to ensure everybody got paid? An auction is where people go to find bargains ...
I would think that all the unsecured creditors can kiss their money goodbye.
I am sitting on the fence as to whether or not Irv should have been allowed to bid

Big business (and money) is hard to understand. Just because the Genmar Corp failed doesn't mean Irv is broke... so why shouldn't he be able to put his cash (and his associates) on the line to try and make some more on the other hand he knows which brands have the biggest profit capability.

Even if all the unsecured creditors don't do business with teh new Irv company there will be a lineup of others that will.

As an aside, what exactly does he get for $6 mil? This doesn't seem like alot of $ for two well known yacht brands. Is he buying the names, fixtures, manufacturing plants, equipment, leftover stock or partial builds?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:05 pm 
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I do not agree that Jacobs should have won his bid. There was an equal bid from another party.

Irv the Liquidator to Irv the Insider.

I f-ing hate corporate America.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:25 pm 
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I do not agree that Jacobs should have won his bid. There was an equal bid from another party. Irv the Liquidator to Irv the Insider. I f-ing hate corporate America.


You may not like it, but it's perfectly legal and has been done many times before. There's nothing 'inside' about it. A national camera store chain just did the same sort of thing. And it's not like the existing 'owners' didn't take a financial beating along the way. They lost money too. Sometimes more than unsecured creditors. I've not been following the process, but bids that don't win are often not actually equal when an examination of all the details is considered. Don't profess to 'hate' what is more complicated than you (and lots of people) might understand.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:40 am 
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[quote]Don't profess to 'hate' what is more complicated than you (and lots of people) might understand.
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I believe capitalism here in the U.S. is the best economic option vs Socialism. With that said, there are many examples of corruption and a lack of ethics in our system. I work for a legacy airline and my list of complaints is a mile long with our management's actions. I believe that the average person is very frustrated with corporate america right now and justifiably so. I.E. AIG. So to say that you don't
understand why someone is upset is a very generalized view.

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