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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:36 am 
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Even the bay out here can be smooth as glass one minute and change in a matter of a minute with an afternoon thunderstorm rolling through. No fun right before nightfall and TowboatUS busy with 6 calls in 10 minutes.

One person died this mini season. From what I was told in the past by the locals, mini season is always a madhouse and they would rather do away with it. Newspaper here had a picture of confiscated lobsters and the police wrote their fair share of tickets. They came around this year with dogs, to weed out the people double dipping, along with their usual bag of tricks, cameras on bridges, etc.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:04 pm 
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cabwizard wrote:
Another great thing is join BoatUS.com for less than $200 a year you can get towed or rescued free plus $14 for trailering cover check them out. I joined just this month and although I only boat inland lakes and river my cost was about $60 for the rest of the year.

Glad your all safe

Ray


Yup, and insurance is $250 a year with them. It's win win situation.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:34 pm 
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We are finally getting close to the marina when I hear what sounds like splashing water and the engine is running a bit rough at 1200 rpms so I open the engine compartment and low and behold what do I find water splashing around in the engine compartment and the serpentine belt. The ski locker was emptying out the water it had into the bilge pump area but the bilge pump had stopped working for some reason. :shock:


You might want to keep an ear out for increased db level coming from the exhaust manifold for the rest of the season as a precaustionary measure. Manifold gaskets are down low, easily swamped and do not like to get wet. If you hear increased noise do not continue to drive too far, have them checked out at the dealer because a compromised exhaust manifold gasket can be a fire hazard and that's no fun.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:30 pm 
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Folks - there have been some previous threads for upgrading/adding secondary bilge pumps. Here's a link to a thread which includes links to other threads (just to keep things interesting...).

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7282&p=70436&hilit=upgrade+bilge#p70436

Is the SS hull different than other Horizon hulls? I have always found the Horizons to be pretty good coastal ocean boats out here. Much better than my Funship, for sure!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:16 pm 
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wkearney99 wrote:
Glad it worked out. The sea is unforgiving, good thing it didn't make an example of you and your friends.

I'm guessing they don't put different bilge setups into a boat that size and kind because it's not intended for water conditions like that. Boats intended for rougher water and fishing tend to have features better suited for it. Bow riders don't.



Trust me I will never ever even think about heading out in those conditions! And will never have five people on the boat, full of gear and I was full of gas also so looking back I was asking for trouble I am just glad the ocean gave me a chance to learn from my mistakes!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:17 pm 
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SMLBound wrote:
Jafo4U wrote:
We are finally getting close to the marina when I hear what sounds like splashing water and the engine is running a bit rough at 1200 rpms so I open the engine compartment and low and behold what do I find water splashing around in the engine compartment and the serpentine belt. The ski locker was emptying out the water it had into the bilge pump area but the bilge pump had stopped working for some reason. :shock:


You might want to keep an ear out for increased db level coming from the exhaust manifold for the rest of the season as a precaustionary measure. Manifold gaskets are down low, easily swamped and do not like to get wet. If you hear increased noise do not continue to drive too far, have them checked out at the dealer because a compromised exhaust manifold gasket can be a fire hazard and that's no fun.

Keith

Thanks will definitely keep an eye on those.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:19 pm 
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LazyCAT wrote:
Even the bay out here can be smooth as glass one minute and change in a matter of a minute with an afternoon thunderstorm rolling through. No fun right before nightfall and TowboatUS busy with 6 calls in 10 minutes.

One person died this mini season. From what I was told in the past by the locals, mini season is always a madhouse and they would rather do away with it. Newspaper here had a picture of confiscated lobsters and the police wrote their fair share of tickets. They came around this year with dogs, to weed out the people double dipping, along with their usual bag of tricks, cameras on bridges, etc.

I don't think I want to do it again it was stupid I got 6 lobster the legal limit and almost sunk my boat. Not worth the hassle


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:25 pm 
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wkearney99 wrote:
Glad it worked out. The sea is unforgiving, good thing it didn't make an example of you and your friends.

I'm guessing they don't put different bilge setups into a boat that size and kind because it's not intended for water conditions like that. Boats intended for rougher water and fishing tend to have features better suited for it. Bow riders don't.




I definitely didn't know that but not knowing on the water is definitely not a great excuse for that wave coming over and sinking you so I am definitely going to learn more about this boat. If I come through this experience with one thing I can say was a game changer it was the power of that engine!!! I hit that throttle forward that bow although very overly weighted with the water lifted up like a Polaris missle, we had propulsion and that meant the difference between sinking and not sinking kudos to the engineers of these engines!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:00 pm 
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nhprinter wrote:
Please tell me you had taken the carpet out... :mrgreen:

Glad to hear everyone's ok. Looking forward to your next adventure. 8)



I actually got rid of the carpets as soon as the boat was delivered since the rear part of the carpet separated during transport and whipped itself into total crap. I don't want carpets in the boat, tomorrow I am taking out the snap in and going to take it to the shop for some bimini work and some ideas for the floor since it was stained with the carpets. I hope my next trip is not as interesting.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:20 pm 
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LouC wrote:
Wash down everything in the engine compartment except electrical connectors with fresh water, salt water is bad for any metal...
Bowriders, that are not self bailing, do not belong out if the waves are predicted to be more than 1-2 feet, because all it takes is one big wave over the bow.
I have used my boat in similar conditions in LI Sound and when I see it get like that, it's time to GET OUT OF DODGE....

Keep the bow cover on, run the boat in bow up mode, that's about all you can do.

My next boat is going to be a closed bow boat, with high freeboard and most likely outboard power, that way at least if the weather conditions get worse you don't have as much of a risk of something bad happening...


I washed down the entire boat and made sure to run the engine for a while to dry the engine out. When I got it home we turned on the air compressor and went to work making sure everything was dry. We hit it with the anti corrosion 696 I think it's called. Just to make sure it didn't get any water in the oil we pulled it out and tossed it back in. My buddy has a cool pump that takes the engine oil out in less than five minutes. I definitely got out of dodge but it was almost too late for me.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:28 pm 
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captwalt wrote:
Jafo4U wrote:
Needless to say I have signed up for my boater safety course


Joe,

I took the course offered by the Coast Guard Auxiliary in Coral Gables Recreation Center and highly recommend it. Its a great course and I honestly believe it should be mandatory to be taken and refreshed periodically by all boaters.

One more thing, here in Miami we boat 12 months a year. While a lot of our friends here will begin the yearly ritual of winterizing you are going to have tons of time to continue the use of your pride and joy. Don't take on risk that are threats to you or your crew. For us there is always tomorrow. :mrgreen:

That is exactly what my wife told me after I gave her a less interesting story of the day. I definitely thought about that also, what is the big deal with going out in crap when we can go year round. I was thinking of an online class but I don't think it will be as good as being there in person. Coral Gables sounds good not far from me at all. On your comment of taking risks I definitely agree but sometimes people don't know a risk is a risk like in my case. I want to learn all I can to avoid making dumb mistakes like I did that day.

Glad you are safe!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:44 pm 
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jrcinnh wrote:
I'm glad to hear you guys are all safe. My first power boat was a 26' bowrider and I had a couple days like you had. Just a few years ago, a 22' bowrider sank on our lake, just as you descibe. Everyone was rescued, but in the ocean this could have been tragic.

As you learned, the big issue with bowriders in heavy seas is taking water over the bow. Most fishing style open boats are self bailing, the deck is above the water line. Any water that come over can easily leave by scuppers.

With your boat, you really have to keep the water out. That means putting on the bow cover, if you have one. This will let you take a few small waves, but a big one will still come in. The real solution is as you did, drive the boat. You need to keep the bow up and steer around the big waves. You may need to go at an angle to the waves.


You really have to be diligent, this can snowball real fast. Once you have one wave onboard, now the boat is heavier and sits lower, making the next wave even worse. More and better bilges pumps can help but you can still put more water in than they can pump out.



Snowball is definitely the word because you are exactly correct, I went from looking at the first wave and saying jeez that is a lot of water to Oh Christ jesus why the heck is all that water in the ski locker not going away, to oh crap this doesn't look good at all, to oh crap we are all gonna die! very quickly! I have to say one thing that gave me comfort in this whole situation, before I get on the boat I am wearing my auto deploying PFD and while everyone onboard were looking for the life vests I was dealing with the emergency at hand and I will definitely never get on my boat ever without my vest on. You actually get used to it like seat belts.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:46 pm 
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aguyindallas wrote:
This is a little worse than I expected it to be. I figured we were going to read another "I forgot to put the plug in" stories.

I am glad everybody is ok.



Thanks it was a bit hectic and yes I came out of it ok and even ran the boat afterwards just fine. My first story on the forum and it was definitely a crazy one. Hopefully all of my stories after this one will be very boring.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:39 pm 
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Jafo4U wrote:
Snowball is definitely the word because you are exactly correct, I went from looking at the first wave and saying jeez that is a lot of water to Oh Christ jesus why the heck is all that water in the ski locker not going away, to oh crap this doesn't look good at all, to oh crap we are all gonna die! very quickly! I have to say one thing that gave me comfort in this whole situation, before I get on the boat I am wearing my auto deploying PFD and while everyone onboard were looking for the life vests I was dealing with the emergency at hand and I will definitely never get on my boat ever without my vest on. You actually get used to it like seat belts.


Shit really goes south in a big-ass hurry when the seas kick up. Good for you having the PFD on.

I always make it a point to strongly encourage people to take a classroom boating safety course. Even when you think you know everything there's still a few good tips to learn. That and instructors are good for answering a lot of questions about local conditions. Online websites just don't compare. Look into your local US Power Squadron chapter's schedule of classes. IT IS WELL WORTH YOUR TIME.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:48 pm 
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Thanks for the advice a friend of mine is taking me out and teaching me the ropes. I have been paying attention to every word he says. I just finished learning how to install the belt on the engine in case of an emergency, I also learned how to check the fuses and how to reset the ones on the engine. I purchased two Rule 2000GPH bilge pumps with the smooth tubing will be added to help the one that is on the boat now. I am planning on placing one inside the ski locker and one at the bottom of the bilge but I will place the switch higher up so if the water gets to be more than the first bilge can handle it will turn on with the higher water level. The one in the ski locker I am not sure how it will be installed yet but I am definitely up for some ideas. I was reading on a site dedicated to bilge pumps and they said two pumps pushing 3000 on a boat my size was a good idea. I figured 3 bilge pumps should give me a little more safety in case one of them doesn't work or gets clogged. Redundancy is going to take on a new meaning on my boat. Joe from Miami 8)


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