Interesting... 2013 Bayliners offering diesel

chrisvs · **Posted:** Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:47 am

You are right, the solution might not be for everyone, but I wish there were more options for it from the factories of North American boat builders.

A quick look at the bayliner's "Build your Bayliner" option sheet shows the probable reason why... On the 255 cruiser, to option in a 220 hp cmd Mercruiser/BIII over the standard 260 hp 5.0MPI/BIII is an eye watering $14,857 option!!! Now, that'll take alot of fuel burn to make up the cost.....

kp47 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:43 am

If you figure 40% of 8.00 a gallon diesel that 14K may be justified if you put a lot of hours on. I use about 1000 gallons a season and cruise on plane at around 11.5gph, thats around 4000.00, at the marina fuel went from 3.84 in the spring to 4.39 a gallon right now.

Even if the diesel cut that in half and saved me 2000.00 it would take over 7 years to pay for it so its hardly worth it. At 8.00 a gallon like it is in Europe it would take 3.5 years to pay for it which isnt too bad as long as maintenance doesnt swallow up that savings.

Decision · **Posted:** Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:59 am

Another point worth considering is a diesel boat is typically worth more as a used boat over the same boat in gas.

So if your useage justifies the added initial increase in expense, so that your payback period is reasonable then diesel may be for you?

We average around 50 hours a year in our 6 month boating season. Diesel wouldn't make sense for me in my boat size at this time.

Mike.

kp47 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:10 am

Since the buy-in is higher the resale should be higher. The engine is going to depreciate just like the rest of the boat so I dont know how much will be returned by buying a diesel. If they have a longer lifespan thats a resale plus as well.

While I think the newest diesels are pretty nice, I wouldnt want to own one out of warranty, they are not something a lot of DIY'ers will be fixing at home.

Paul I. · **Posted:** Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:44 pm

I have a V258, I burn about 10gph at 25kph. We saw a boat at the Newport Boat Show, it was a 30 footer and I think it was about 9000lbs. They were claiming it could do 28kph and only sucking down 6gph. Looking at the bigger boats and from the other diesels at our club, I believe it could hit those numbers! I saw a 37 footer, twin engines diesels, at 25kph, would do 10gph.

To me, diesel is the way to go!! BUT, I do my boating on the ocean and would like to cruise the coast. From Maine to Key West.

oscar · **Posted:** Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:24 pm

kp47 wrote:

Wouldnt say useless, very popular in Europe.

Initial cost is high, parts costs are high..

right, popular here in europe, mainly on double engine boats that here means almost all boats longer than 28 feet. Diesel, at least in Italy, is 10% cheaper than gasoline. Initial cost higher, parts not that much higher.
Never seen anybody running a diesel engine for 20 minutes before leaving the marina, as someone has written...the one he is mentioning is just a...Sea Ray owner.

A double Diesel engine installation on a 30 feet cruiser has a consumption of 30 liters/h x engine at 20-25 knots and 80 liters/h x engine at WOT. That means something like 15-20% less than a double gasoline engine on the same boat.

kp47 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:13 pm

oscar wrote:

kp47 wrote:

Wouldnt say useless, very popular in Europe.

Initial cost is high, parts costs are high..

right, popular here in europe, mainly on double engine boats that here means almost all boats longer than 28 feet. Diesel, at least in Italy, is 10% cheaper than gasoline. Initial cost higher, parts not that much higher.
Never seen anybody running a diesel engine for 20 minutes before leaving the marina, as someone has written...the one he is mentioning is just a...Sea Ray owner.

A double Diesel engine installation on a 30 feet cruiser has a consumption of 30 liters/h x engine at 20-25 knots and 80 liters/h x engine at WOT. That means something like 15-20% less than a double gasoline engine on the same boat.

I'm sure it depends who makes the diesel engine as far as parts costs, but generally since diesel engine parts are pretty heavy duty and fairly rare here for passenger cars/pleasure boats etc they cost more. Even more if they are obsolete or oddball engines. Gas engines here based on regular car engines and except for the VP or Mercury tax they are reasonably priced to maintain/rebuild/replace.

What is diesel per liter these days in Italy?

oscar · **Posted:** Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:23 pm

this morning I refilled my diesel BMW at 1.709 euro liter in self service station, in a non self service station diesel it's 1.760 euro/liter

here 70% of cars is diesel.

Gasoline costs around 1.85 - 1.95 euros per liter, on the highway the price is slightly higher for both diesel and gasoline fuel

On the lake at the boat service station gasoline is 2.05 and diesel 1.95 euro/liter

rate €/US$ today is 1euro=1,3 US Dollars

kp47 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:39 pm

oscar wrote:

this morning I refilled my diesel BMW at 1.709 euro liter in self service station, in a non self service station diesel it's 1.760 euro/liter

here 70% of cars is diesel.

Gasoline costs around 1.85 - 1.95 euros per liter, on the highway the price is slightly higher for both diesel and gasoline fuel

On the lake at the boat service station gasoline is 2.05 and diesel 1.95 euro/liter

Wow, 1.95 EU/liter is about 10.00 USD a gallon, thats why diesels are popular there

Here maybe 5% of cars are diesels, large trucks, trains, large boats and a lot of large stationary engines are diesel.

Right now diesel is ~3.90 USD per Gallon (.75 EU/liter) at a marina in my area, 3.75 for road, unleaded regular is 3.40. Thats why no one buys diesel cars (yet), not to mention the smelly, stinky US made diesel cars form the 70s and older stinky imports turned off a lot of US buyers. I had a TDI VW as a shop car for a while and liked it, 40+mpg highway and couldnt kill the thing. Only thing I didnt like about it was finding diesel in rural areas, except for truck stops its not very common in gas stations in the states.

oscar · **Posted:** Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:50 pm

yes in EU fuel has an extremely high cost compare with US and enormously high compared with other countries like Emirates (0,1 euro per liter) or Malaysia (0,25 euro liter).
Boating is an expensive game here.

Due to high market share of diesel cars In EU all fuel stations have both Diesel and Gasoline.
Most imported US cars in Europe are sold with Diesel engine...Jeep..and....mmh..nothing else that's the only american car brand we have here. And Ford.

kp47 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:01 pm

oscar wrote:

yes in EU fuel has an extremely high cost compare with US and enormously high compared with other countries like Emirates (0,1 euro per liter) or Malaysia (0,25 euro liter).
Boating is an expensive game here.

Due to high market share of diesel cars In EU all fuel stations have both Diesel and Gasoline.
Most imported US cars in Europe are sold with Diesel engine...Jeep..and....mmh..nothing else that's the only american car brand we have here.

Yea, it was only 2.00 USD/gallon a few years ago

I've had a couple diesel pickup trucks when I was doing a lot of towing, but except for VW and BMW you dont see many newer diesel cars.

My wife and kids just came back from two weeks in Europe and after spending a week in Rome, I'm pretty sure EVERYTHING is expensive there.

oscar · **Posted:** Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:07 pm

working husbands...spending wives... :lol:

ric · **Posted:** Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:31 pm

American's don't get the Fords sold in the UK.

kp47 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:55 pm

oscar wrote:

working husbands...spending wives... :lol:

Na, her mom passed away a few months ago and she wanted to visit her dad, she hasnt been home in 20 years so I cant complain about her going there for a couple weeks. Figured instead of me going she should take the kids along, they may never have the chance to meet their grandfather again.

oscar · **Posted:** Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:33 am

ric wrote:

American's don't get the Fords sold in the UK.

yea, Europeans get them only if in troubles with budget, nobody would buy EU Fords by will.

www.iFourWinns.com

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