2 New 2013 19' Outboards

Gresh24 · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:50 am

LouC wrote:

It's nice to see all these OBs and as long as they are priced right right they will sell. When owners see the clear advantages of OBs (no worry of gas fumes in the bilge, you can use the boat later and earlier in the season b/c they self drain, they are much easier to winterize, no bellows to leak) they will be unlikely to go back to stern drives. The Crownline is very nice but needs a150 on the stern.

They are nice and have some advantages, but I just don't see a big shift to them. I still think far more people prefern stern drives.

Cap'n Morgan · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:59 am

FYI,
Since June 2010 to present. In fiberglass hull 18' to 20' runabouts/bowriders, Outboards have outsold sterndrives 2 to 1. The trend
is changing. That is why you see builders rushing to get outdrive models in their product mix. The trend will continue for the forseeable future
in these size boats.

Gresh24 · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:03 pm

Cap'n Morgan wrote:

FYI,
Since June 2010 to present. In fiberglass hull 18' to 20' runabouts/bowriders, Outboards have outsold sterndrives 2 to 1. The trend
is changing. That is why you see builders rushing to get outdrive models in their product mix. The trend will continue for the forseeable future
in these size boats.

Wow, I stand corrected. Thanks for the info. It doesn't even seem like anyone is making them...

Whre are those numbers coming from?

Cap'n Morgan · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:27 pm

I know what you mean, but if you look at recent history, you can see the builders are offering outboards again.
The numbers come from Statistical Surveys Inc. & NMMA
A couple of examples off the top of my head, dates and numbers may not be accurate.

Four Winns brought back outboard powered boats (H180) in 2010, after several years offering none. And the H190RS for 2013.
Glastron has always had a few models, now they have 4 or 5.
Campion has had several over the years, but now have quite a few O/B offerings.
Rinker did not have O/B boats untill last year.
Bayliner has several sizes, and they even dusted off the mold from the early 80's to start building the 160 O/B again.
Sea Ray expanded their runabout O/B offerings.
Starcraft has a good selection of fiberglass O/B powered boats
Southwind is almost all O/B boats now.
And in this thread, Monterey and Crownline who have never made an outboard, now offer one for 2013.

Even the dying cruiser market is trying outboard power.
The new Sea Ray 370 Venture, is a 37+ foot express cruiser powered by twin 300hp Mercury Verado outboards.
Pursuit will show it's 37' Yamaha outboard powered Sport Yacht at the Ft. lauderdale show in a week or so.

In the coming months, look for even more choices in outboard powered boats, from builders that usually haven't
offered them before, and more models from builders that currently offer out board powered boats.

Cap'n Morgan · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:59 pm

Probably TMI, but here is a piece from a US Business report about the boating industry.

Quote:

“The EPA rule certainly influences how you look at some boat designs moving forward,” says Roch
Lambert, president of Recreational Boat Holdings,which manufactures the Glastron, Four Winns and
Wellcraft lines. “We’re planning to go with outboards for all of our Glastron boats 20 feet and below.”
Lambert, former president of BRP’s Evinrude/Johnson division, lists the benefits of outboard power
by rote — quiet, fuel-efficient and giving an owner the option of re-powering three or four years down
the road. “It’s a no-brainer with sterndrives becomingmore expensive,” says Lambert.
Other builders in the competitive but depressed sterndrive niche are also jumping into outboard
design. Larson plans to introduce 4.8, 5.1, 5.4m (16, 17, 18ft) bowriders with outboards because of
catalyst cost considerations. Rinker Boats has also launched a 5.4m and 5.7m (18 and 19ft) Rinker
Captiva. “Because of pricing on sterndrives, it wasn’t competitive for outboards to
be on these units,” says Doug Sexton, vice president of Nautic Global Group, parent of Rinker
and Hurricane brands. “Now, if you tack an extra US$3,500 on a V6 sterndrive, it makes a lot of
sense to use an outboard.” Sexton says there’s “nothing in the works” for Captivas larger than 5.7m (19ft), a cut-off
shared by other builders.

LouC · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:15 pm

Gresh24 wrote:

LouC wrote:

It's nice to see all these OBs and as long as they are priced right right they will sell. When owners see the clear advantages of OBs (no worry of gas fumes in the bilge, you can use the boat later and earlier in the season b/c they self drain, they are much easier to winterize, no bellows to leak) they will be unlikely to go back to stern drives. The Crownline is very nice but needs a150 on the stern.

They are nice and have some advantages, but I just don't see a big shift to them. I still think far more people prefern stern drives.

Maybe in the Midwest/freshwater regions but on the coasts, salt water, OBs are greatly preferred. Usually people here have one I/O and if the kept it in the water, after the work it took to keep it going, the next one was either OB or straight inboard...

jtay190h · **Joined:** Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:42 pm **Posts:** 2

I have a 1996 190 with a 130 hp. I get 43 mph, good fuel economy, and I like the extra room on board.

Jtay

LouC · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:03 am

Interesting that they are looking at a 19-20 foot limit on the OBs, I guess when you get to the size were you need a 200 hp OB the extra cost is now more than what the sterndrive package cost would be. But the fallacy is that the sterndrive costs less up front. That's true but the extra work needed to keep it reliable is something you have to pay for every year you have it, and sterndrives that are neglected are a nightmare, at least here. I've had to do a lot of work each year to keep mine 100% reliable. Winterizing takes a good three hours including the oil/filter and drive oil change. On an OB this would take half the time and you don't have to remove the drive each year to check bellows/u-joints. Just the fact that you don't have to worry about freezing should the temp drop below 30 for a few nights is great advantage.

sachem29 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:25 am

Too many pros vs cons for outboard power. As long as costs are comparable or even cheaper than I/O engines you will continue to see this trend continue. I can say first hand that this time of year I'm very grateful to have an outboard, so easy to winterize vs my father in laws I/O. Which I'm dreading :mrgreen:

Gresh24 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:16 am

LouC wrote:

Maybe in the Midwest/freshwater regions but on the coasts, salt water, OBs are greatly preferred. Usually people here have one I/O and if the kept it in the water, after the work it took to keep it going, the next one was either OB or straight inboard...

I understand the advantages of outboards and the preference on the coasts, but it has always been that way. You're right, in the midwest, they aren't nearly as popular. To have a 2 to 1 shift in outboards to stern drives, means that the folks that normally don't buy outboards now are (like folks in the midwest/fresh water). That's what I'm just not seeing. But, I suppose if the manufacturers are making the decision for them with what they are producing, it is and will continue to shift.

ric · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:09 am

The problem with OB is... like on my 19ft stingray... I have 200hp and go almost 60mph. There's no way this boat would be affordable with a 200hp outboard. It would come with a 115 and go 30mph.

Cap'n Morgan · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:38 am

Here are a few more boating industry stats that were released today reflecting the addition of September numbers.

Quote:

Sales of aluminum fishing boats falling 2 percent to 1,025 boats — the first monthly drop all year in that category — and sales of 11- to 40-foot outboard fiberglass boats, an industry leader for months, rising a slim 1.2 percent to 1,470. Categories that have struggled in recent months continued to do so. Sales of 14- to 30-foot inboard and sterndrive fiberglass boats fell 8.7 percent in September to 428, and sales in three categories of cruisers and yachts dropped by margins ranging from 15 to 46 percent.

Sales of jetboats continued to rise in September, gaining 3.4 percent to 123, but sales of personal watercraft dropped 5.1 percent to 1,086 and sales of ski boats tumbled 11.8 percent to 172.

Sailboat sales fell 20.2 percent to 75. They are down a slight 0.4 percent for the year.

Despite the lackluster September numbers, sales through the third quarter are up 11.7 percent in the main powerboat segments to 102,628 and 9.6 percent industrywide to 166,753. Statistical Surveys president Tom Walworth said, fiberglass and aluminum boat sales in upper Midwest and North-Central states such as North and South Dakota, Michigan and Montana have been above the national average.

LouC · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:17 pm

ric wrote:

The problem with OB is... like on my 19ft stingray... I have 200hp and go almost 60mph. There's no way this boat would be affordable with a 200hp outboard. It would come with a 115 and go 30mph.

Your boat does not need a 200 hp outboard, it would be adequately powered with a 150, keep in mind, that the 200 hp sterndrive weighs in at around 900 lbs but the 150 OB is about 450 so that's 50 hp less but 450 lbs less. The 150 OB should have performance equal to or better than the 200 hp sterndrive. That 450 comes right off the stern so the boat should come up on plane quicker. With a 200 it would be a rocket, in fact most but not all 20' boats max out at 175 hp for OBs.

TX H210SS · **Joined:** Thu May 27, 2010 9:10 am **Posts:** 1488

Yes, less weight but more of it farther back sonot all the weight reduction is a benefit, right? My bud just bought a replacement OB for his bay boat...a 200 HP Evindrude..nice setup but that's 18,000.00 for the motor and install. Nice motor with plenty HP for his 22' center console, but that's not a 4 stroke either.

Drop a 4 stroke on there at 20 HP and I imagine you add about a thousand a stroke....22,000.00. Wowwww!

LouC · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:14 pm

Yes they are expensive no doubt. But if you consider the lower maintenance costs of the time you own it, and jobs that do not have to be done (bellows, alignment, gimble, ujoints, exhaust manifolds/risers) it probably is a wash, with less work and time on the OB side.

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