New 2016 H190 model. filling gas tank issue.

Erie · **Joined:** Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:09 pm **Posts:** 5

My family is looking into buying a new Four winns H190 after our 1986 four winns was destroyed in a storm last summer. The only issue we have with the new models is the fact that the gas cap is on the side of the boat like a car, not like how the old models were it was on the top near the side of the boat, and that it opens straight up and not to the side or down. This makes its difficult filling up the tank, as our boat is left on a lift during the summer months and our dock is along the side of the boat the gas cap is not. Also looking at the issue of filling up at the marina, as the water level is usually lower then the concrete. So if anyone has had any luck or suggestions in this area, any help would be appreciated. I have bought a funnel that is flexible and can bend to roughly 90 degrees, but the top/funnel part seems to small and would take a while to fill the tank. Thank you

GottWhat · **Posted:** Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:02 am

Could you turn the boat around when you are filling it up?

Cap'n Morgan · **Posted:** Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:03 am

$110.00 W/10 Foot hose, should be all you need.

Cap'n Morgan · **Posted:** Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:04 am

GottWhat wrote:

Could you turn the boat around when you are filling it up?

Back the boat onto a lift ??? :shock:

Erie · **Joined:** Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:09 pm **Posts:** 5

Can't really back up the boat into the lift, would have to move the current wood planks it sits on and plus would be worried about waves hitting the front of the boat and knocking it off the lift.

Erie · **Joined:** Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:09 pm **Posts:** 5

Cap'n morgan I have seen that but thought the hose/pump would break easily/not work. Have u tried it? Also don't know if a 10ft hose is long enough.

Cap'n Morgan · **Posted:** Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:24 am

10 ft. should be plenty long for an 8ft. wide boat on a lift. Friends that have their boat on a lift (Monterey 224FS) use the exact same
gas pump. Works great, plenty durable, and easy to move around. You can always add a longer hose if you think
it needs it.

LouC · **Posted:** Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:54 am

I have something similar for a gas caddy and it was a life saver during Superstorm Sandy; I filled it before the storm and then siphoned out about 30 gallons out of the boat over the 2 weeks of no electric for our 5,000 watt generator.
Are there any issues with the new charcoal canisters that new boats have to capture gas vapors? I sure as heck hope that this system was well engineered because gas vapors are deadly in a gas powered inboard. Brought to you by the same incompetent over reaching technologically ignorant agency that required 700* cat converters in a closed engine compartment depending on a rubber impeller for cooling.

Cap'n Morgan · **Posted:** Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:15 am

Lou,
I know this is a sore spot with you, but having owned a "CAT" equipped boat for 3 years, I can assure you there is
no issue with these new converters and engine temp worries. And breakdown and replacement of the converters and
exhaust manifolds is no greater than non cat engines. With the exception of cost, in freshwater they can and do last
for 10 -15 years or more. Most owners (except you) will not own the same boat for that length of time.
USCG standard says nothing in the engine compartment should exceed 200 degrees F.

Using an infared thermometer, two identical I/O powered boats, one with Cat's one without were measured after a 20 min.
WOT run. Temp of the exhaust manifolds (which contain the catalytic converters) were:
Non Cat = 123 degrees
Cat = 180 degrees.
Yes, hotter, but within USCG spec. This study was done back in 2010.

GottWhat · **Posted:** Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:29 am

Cap'n Morgan wrote:

GottWhat wrote:

Could you turn the boat around when you are filling it up?

Back the boat onto a lift ??? :shock:

I meant turn it around, not on the lift, fill it up and then turn it around and put it on the lift.

LouC · **Posted:** Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:48 pm

I think you should check those prices, because if you look at a V/P engine, the last time I checked, it was $3,000 a side. Yes that's right per side. Between EFI and cat exhausts, outboards are looking better and better (and safer).
Unless you have had a hose pop off and cut your raw water flow off like I have, and then found out your exhaust manifolds are close to 400*F (I checked them with the IR temp gun waiting for a tow that day--and they did not crack, tested with acetone still using them now), its hard to really appreciate what a bad idea this is. I'll have to agree to disagree and would advise anyone in a salt water region, to forget about I/Os and gas inboards unless they are comfortable with this. There is no way, you are doing the exhaust for anywhere near the price of a regular exhaust on one of those. Keep in mind that its not just people like me that are affected in coastal regions. You buy a new boat, 5-7 years its time. You buy a used boat, well if it was not just done, NOW its time. Bad exhaust ruins more inboard engines than any other cause. And why is it a sore spot with me?
Well I have not seen any cost benefit analysis on the need for cat converter exhaust on recreational boats. And the EPA, just does not care. This is also why, you buy a small outboard now, and guess what, they are more tempermental than a weed wacker. Why, well they have to be set so lean, that the least little bit of dirt in the fuel, or water (thanks to them demanding we must have only E-10 here), and the damn things don't run right. The only way we got our 2012 Suzuki DF 2.5 to run right, was to complain to Suzuki customer service. The rep came to the dealer and this is what happened: the EPA required tin cover over the mixture screw was removed, and adjusted to make the damn thing run right. Then the hole was plugged with epoxy. Before that it barely ran and if you read complaints, this is common to all the small 4 stroke OBs. They just don't care about any technical difficulties that arise from their regulations. Not a democratic process, sorry for the rant.

Getting back to the OP, make sure that new vapor recovery system DOES NOT LEAK. Maybe the fool EPA should require fume detectors on new inboard boats, I have one on mine.......

CaptainADK · **Posted:** Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:36 pm

I have a 2015 H180 with the gas cap on the side. We fuel at the marina only and it has not been an issue. Yes, the cap is lower than the fuel dock so the attendant just kneels down and inserts the nozzle. If the wind or current is not cooperative, it is helpful to keep your foot on the boat so it doesn't bump against the dock while the guy is fueling. But having the cap on the side is really no big deal.

Now, if I didn't use the marina's fuel dock and was using cans, it would be a pain because the gas tank is on the port side but my slip is on the starboard side. Then, yeah, I'd have to back the boat in to fuel it or get a rolling gas can. I'd say stick with fueling at the marina and you'll get used to the new design.

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