Meguiars 67 or 49

zims1993 · **Posted:** Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:27 am

Ok so I have some light oxidation on the stern and trying to bring it back to life and maintain. Cleaner wax and flagship wax with dual action polisher just can't get the shine I want. Advance Auto had 49 oxidation remover or 67 one step compound, so I purchased the 67 as it has polish in it but which of the 2 is least aggressive? Was planning to use 67 with a polishing pad then Flagship wax as final step, or should I just get the oxidation kit that includes 49, 45 polish, and 56 pure wax?

Jdpber · **Posted:** Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:03 pm

Use 67 then 45 then the flagship premium. And you will get this finish. I use a DA variable professional 6" polisher. 3 step pads. Seperate terry rags for blue and white gel for each material step. Aka 6 different rags.

Jdpber · **Posted:** Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:22 pm

49 is a medium aggressive where as the 67 is a mild. They also make a heavy aggressive but it is for cutting the orange peal out of clear for a glass finish. And the heavy is about the same as taking 1,200grit to the surface.

Do as I showed. Use the correct strength pad, keep the rags clean, do not press the machine hard, let the liquid do the work. And remember you want to be low speed. The 67 you put on and get it off before it dries DO NOT LET IT DRY, 45 is not intended to dry on either. But top coat wax you want it to dry before removal of excess. Work in 4sqft areas at a time aka shoulder width. Do not apply in direct sunlight or to hot surfaces. I do my detailing of boats early morning or evening if I cannot work on the boat inside or under cover. I probably detail 10-15 a year. Cousins business that I may buy into does 10 a week. But he is full time and I do it for beer money and to get out of the house.

The marine Maguires deck cleaner in the spray bottle is great stuff also for non skid. It is a non harsh chemical and does a great job of getting meet grime and dust dirt build up off. For your dash and other tight areas I like the quick detail spray and a micro fiver rag. It is great to keep on the boat for when you get to the cove or beach. 5 minute wipe down and all the water spots and any guests grime is gone. Easy on easy off great stuff.

Ask any questions about polishing gelcot and I'll let you know.

Remember the key to gelcot is keeping its pores sealed with wax. Gelcot is very porus and will loose its moisture aka gets oxydated and will such up dirty water and grime. So 3-4 wax jobs a year should keep it polished and protected. I do 2 coats when I apply any boat. And 3-4x a year on my boats and cars. And they always stay shining and beading water. Plus a protected surface will shed dirt and grime easier and will clean easier.

deafwish · **Posted:** Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:30 pm

Hey John,

I bought the 3M Fiberglass Restorer & Wax (also allegedly 1 step) and use the recommended wool pad.
I can never get the gloss finish I want & am curious whether I should use a foam buffing pad?

230 Mike · **Posted:** Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:04 pm

Wool is for heavy removal but not for final finish. If you need to remove a lot of oxidation, go wool. If you don't, you're going to more trouble than necessary (and in theory removing more gel coat than necessary). Always finish with foam pads. Within the foam line, there are coarser and finer, meant to be used with corresponding compounds. Boat polishing typically uses one less step than car polishing (e.g., within the 3M line, there's usually no point in going to step 3 with a boat).

Jdpber · **Posted:** Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:42 am

What 230 Mike said. Wool is for heavy heavy OX. You will Benifit greatly switching to the foam pads. Yes the 3rd step is close to the 2nd but I prefer to keep my compounds and waxes organized to one compound or wax per pad.

zims1993 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:27 am

I have 0 white oxidation on my green color it just does not have that deep shine on the transom like the bow does. Could I just get away with polish and wax? I have 3 foam pads for my DA polisher from harbor freight, compound, polish, and final wax. Do I need separate pads for green and white, or just the microfiber towels?

I also can not find 45 polish anywhere without buying the fiberglass restoration kit (have to order it online...), or have found 83 dual action cleaner polish locally.

Should be no problem with heat or sun as boat is in garage. Was hoping to get all 3 steps done today as I have to take it back tomorrow to get the drive reinstalled from the river incident two weeks ago. May have to just wait till next weekend and dedicate couple days to it.

Jdpber · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:50 am

https://www.amazon.com/Meguiars-M4516-Marine-Polish-Enhancer/dp/B0000AXMDP/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1468935544&sr=8-10&keywords=meguires+marine

$13 boom done. you should have Amazon PRIME if not get to this century and get it.

no you only need separate rags as when on the color it will let out some color to the rag and you do not want any contaminant color getting to your white gelcoat.

if you are a dull color but no white haze OX, you could still most likely benefit from a good deep cleaning with soap and water. Then a light hit with a compound to knock any build ups off and flatten the surface. Next a double pass of polish followed with 2 coats of a nice top wax and you should be better than you are now. Remember slow speeds, overlapping passes, work small areas at a time, DO NOT let the compounds or polish dry., Make sure that the wax has time to dry. And always start with a perfectly clean and dry surface. Work with small 4sqft areas at a time aka the width of your shoulders and the height of your torso ASSUMING that you are not Shaquille Oneal.

Your shine comes from the HYDRATION and oils in the gelcoat, combined with the surface being perfectly flat. you may need to use an oil like the number 7 glaze to rejuvenate the surface. But i feel if you use the 3 products that i outlined previously and in that order you will be happy. The compound is light and will get you to the gloss that you want. I cannot guarantee that you will get were i am but it will be better than where you are now. Technique is a huge part of the final results.

rpengr · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:38 am

To add another question:
I often use Meguiars cleaner wax with decent results. I also have a bottle of Mequiars #56 Marine/RV Pure Wax Carnauba Blend.

Is it OK to use Mequiars #56 on white boat hulls? Had read that Carnauba wax was not a good idea on white gel coat?

Jdpber · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:28 pm

you can. but the thing is it does not seal the POURS of the gelcot and moisturize it the same as the synthetic products designed for GELCOT. Same goes for the cleaner wax as it has Carnauba as a base. The marine specific GELCOT products truly are designed specifically for the GELCOT. thus also is true that you should not use the marine specific waxes on automotive paint.

Sure you can go to the 7-11 and pick up some turtle wax and apply it to anything that you want. BUT, you will not get the best results or the best protection. Where the goal is a mirror wet finish that protects the boat an looks amazing to those around the boat. So like i tell customers. Yes i can do it for cheaper with inferior products but you are getting an inferior results wether it is a car i am detailing or a boat. I have a friend that details for high end exotics and it takes him a full 7-8 hours for an exterior show quality detail. Numerous different compounds, polishes, oils, sealers, cleaners, waxes. Yes their are levels of finish some are ok with clean with a sheen. But others want it to look wet and reflect like glass with no waves. And each level has a price point for the work and the material needed to achieve. PLUS the skill set.

take this with a grain of salt. But to me it is logical to pay for the correct marine products. yes below i outline well over $100 in materials. BUT i also would charge 28/ft up to 32 and this is ground up detail, cleaning, wax, polish. after 32 i go to 65/ft as a cabin is a huge addition, Time, Skill, Materials so if you compare paying someone to you buying the materials yourself and these quantities will do your 20' boat multiple times these prices are not bad. And $400 for a car detail. DO IT RIGHT DO IT ONCE

AMAZON
#67 $24 32oz https://www.amazon.com/Meguiars-M6732-Marine-Step-Compound/dp/B00029CYRG/ref=pd_sim_263_5?ie=UTF8&dpID=41eGveA3fTL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL320_SR206%2C320_&psc=1&refRID=77AHSXY1CZHVWXE5R9AP

or #49 for the heavy heavy OX $7 https://www.amazon.com/Meguiars-M4916-Marine-Oxidation-Remover/dp/B0000AY4YX/ref=pd_bxgy_263_img_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=5ADH7CR16AR2J0Y2E8M2

#45 POLISH $13 https://www.amazon.com/Meguiars-M4516-Marine-Polish-Enhancer/dp/B0000AXMDP/ref=pd_bxgy_263_img_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=G8HVS2M4R7A7XA0W6057

FLagship Premium Wax $24 32oz https://www.amazon.com/Meguiars-M6332-Flagship-Premium-Marine/dp/B0007TR47G/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1468948048&sr=1-1&keywords=meguires+flagship

#68 Deck Cleaner $16 https://www.amazon.com/Meguiars-M6832-Marine-Non-Skid-Cleaner/dp/B000208COY/ref=pd_sim_263_8?ie=UTF8&dpID=41TZI1jMeIL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR99%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=BKQ4N7TJJ68RV3W09TSD

Quick detail cleaner $8 https://www.amazon.com/Meguiars-M5216-Marine-Quik-Clean/dp/B0000AXPVD/ref=pd_sim_263_3?ie=UTF8&dpID=41a96ZPJhvL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL320_SR196%2C320_&psc=1&refRID=KVC48Y2WKNR4RJ6N6RVT

I prefer the Premium Detailer $14 https://www.amazon.com/Meguiars-M9424-Flagship-Premium-Detailer/dp/B001F0M51G/ref=pd_sim_263_7?ie=UTF8&dpID=419Y3SUpQ9L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=XY7JCXYVCNNA6D8C8QD8

#57 vinyl cleaner $10 https://www.amazon.com/Meguiars-M5716-Marine-Cleaner-Protectant/dp/B0000AY4YJ/ref=pd_bxgy_263_img_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=G70BCJRDS0PKBYGZTGSA

zims1993 · **Posted:** Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:59 am

Thanks a bunch for this process. My buddy just completed it on his Mariah only using a random orbital buffer and it turned out awesome.

Jdpber · **Posted:** Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:58 pm

All depends on the existing condition

chris268 · **Posted:** Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:24 pm

Great info, went to the local boat shop, only had the meguiars 44 and 56 on the shelf. Bought a bottle of each to do the arch. WOW, did it by hand, coat of each and it went from pretty oxidized to smooth and shines nice. I ended up doing the port side of the boat today, man am I beat, right rotator cuff is SCREAMING....

I am bout out of the 16oz bottles I bought from the local boat shop. So, I went to bass pro and picked up a bottle of the 44 and 56. Figured I would use the same for both sides.... I order some of the other products in the 32 oz bottles for the Next application on the boat, but meguiars makes some good stuff!

Thanks for the info!

skidaddytn · **Joined:** Mon May 03, 2010 11:12 am **Posts:** 281

>went from pretty oxidized to smooth and shines nice

Been there and done that. It looks awesome when done. LOTS of hard work! The problem is now you will always have to keep it waxed, and it won't last. Unfortunately there's no way to get the gloss uv coat sealed back to factory condition. It's kinda like doing headlight covers on vehicles. 6 months of hard sun and all your hard work is gone, whereas a new headlight cover would have lasted another 5 years before oxidizing.

230 Mike · **Posted:** Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:27 pm

I think if you keep it waxed with the right wax, it'll last. I'm going into season 12, and haven't needed to restore anything yet.

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