www.iFourWinns.com

We just pick this up in MO around Branson. It's had lots of sitting around time as the previous owner did not finish it.
I bought it with the motors and drives out. My wife did not like the colors of the interior and they needed changing anyways. So we have ordered the fabrics and will be sewing it all ourselves. The out drives are done and I've just got to paint them. The motors are machined and I am putting them together.
I still can't find anyone who carries steel braided bottom radiator hose here in Kansas, so I have to order some. I guess we got spoiled in Utah when we did our last boat and the parts stores carried most everything.

Here is what it looked like when we picked it up last week.

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1992 Baja 38 Special Twin 502 Mags

03 Stingray 3.0
88 261 Liberator 460 King Cobras
95 Bayliner 1850 3.0
77 Fiber Form 20ft 350/385hp
70 Wescraft 1800 SS 455 Jet

Lead, Follow, or get the Hell out of the Way!

Here is just the first pass clean up as of today. The paint still needs lots of work and we are looking at doing a custom wrap. Have been working on a name and a look for it, nobody named this boat yet!?! I am thinking something with flames and cobras, but I don't want to scare off the grand daughters......lol
They thought a Barbie theme was good....lol

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1992 Baja 38 Special Twin 502 Mags

03 Stingray 3.0
88 261 Liberator 460 King Cobras
95 Bayliner 1850 3.0
77 Fiber Form 20ft 350/385hp
70 Wescraft 1800 SS 455 Jet

Lead, Follow, or get the Hell out of the Way!

Nice looking Liberator JV!
Good shine in the second pic and it looks like a different trailer, too?

Can't wait to see more, especially those twins!

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Jon & Rhonda

'88 235 Sundowner
5.7L OMC Cobra
'01 F150 4.2L

Same trailer, just some labor involved.
We picked up our upholstery material today, so we can start sewing that together. I buff the paint a few spots a day. By the time I put in the engines and outdrives, everything else should be done.

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1992 Baja 38 Special Twin 502 Mags

03 Stingray 3.0
88 261 Liberator 460 King Cobras
95 Bayliner 1850 3.0
77 Fiber Form 20ft 350/385hp
70 Wescraft 1800 SS 455 Jet

Lead, Follow, or get the Hell out of the Way!

The twins will not look like the day they put them in new. Got to keep up with the times!
Actually also the twins have gotten a little bigger with age, just like me. lol
They are now Twin 472's with really pretty pistons and other stuff. lol

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1992 Baja 38 Special Twin 502 Mags

03 Stingray 3.0
88 261 Liberator 460 King Cobras
95 Bayliner 1850 3.0
77 Fiber Form 20ft 350/385hp
70 Wescraft 1800 SS 455 Jet

Lead, Follow, or get the Hell out of the Way!

HOLY ENGINES BATMAN!

Twin 472's....

You will be able to see the whirlpool in the gas tank with those monsters!

Nice looking boat too....

You could name it ... The Twins ( * ) ( * )

The other half might not like it though.....

just a thought....

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Don't forget the plug....
.......Don't ever forget the plug......

HaHa reminds me of a favorite candy bar of mine Twin Bing bars. lol
Of course they now have the King Bing as well.

Our last boat was Burnin' Money. Since we kept it at Lake Mead for a year and went almost every weekend. We never did get to do the right paint job on it. Big flame job with pieces of money burning in it.

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1992 Baja 38 Special Twin 502 Mags

03 Stingray 3.0
88 261 Liberator 460 King Cobras
95 Bayliner 1850 3.0
77 Fiber Form 20ft 350/385hp
70 Wescraft 1800 SS 455 Jet

Lead, Follow, or get the Hell out of the Way!

Howdy,

NICE looking LIb!


Mine came from Las Vegas many years ago. You should call it "Burn'in Money II" with those BB'S



Ford engines.... Be EXTREMELY careful with the throttles. Couplers are almost impossible to find.

Since these are new engines what did you do with the manifolds? (Stainless steel? That would be cool!)


YOU NEED TO POST PICTURES!!! we LOVE pictures!!


Figure 50 gallons per hour at WOT!!


Cheers,


Rick

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1987 Four Winns Liberator 211, formerly OMC 460 King Kobra powered, replaced in 2006 by a 1997 Mercruiser 454/Bravo III

Rick, It's looking good so far for "Burnin' Money II".
We have been sewing all new upholstery this week and I hope to have that finished by mid next week.
I have still got to find one of those bar glasses for the wet bar. No replies on that one at all.
Four Winns said it's something they did in 1988 and that was the only year. One of them is broke out of the three.

When you guys talk about the coupler, are you talking shaft, or the one that bolts onto the flywheel?

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1992 Baja 38 Special Twin 502 Mags

03 Stingray 3.0
88 261 Liberator 460 King Cobras
95 Bayliner 1850 3.0
77 Fiber Form 20ft 350/385hp
70 Wescraft 1800 SS 455 Jet

Lead, Follow, or get the Hell out of the Way!

If my brother had bought a 261 back in 87 or 88, I would probably have it ... (Of course I would be DOUBLE pizzed at him NOW!!)


The coupler is the rubber coupling that bolts to the crankshaft on your 460. The drive shaft yoke from the outdrive slides into the coupler....you want to be VERY careful with them because you now probably have a LOT more torque and HP now than you did before.

If you "spin" a coupler it won't be pretty.
(I sold my flywheel housing to a guy in Calif that had his coupler literally explode and destroy his flywheel housing and inner transom plate......the plate is available used but he couldn't find a flywheel housing anywhere.... and was just about to tell the customer to "junk the boat" because it wasn't worth repowering with a New Merc/Volvo $24K+)

Also, you need to buy or make (if you know someone with a lathe) an alignment tool to check/adjust the alignment before you install your drives. (if the drives are on and you didn't, you need to pull them and check it. mis-alignment will destroy a coupler pretty quick and you have to pull the engine to change the coupler.

1. They're not made anymore so they're not available (the OEM couplers).
2. There is a company in up in Canada, http://www.performanceengines.ca/OMC-couplers.htm that will modify your flywheel and install a different coupler. They weren't around when I pulled my 460.

I also thought I had exhaust manifold problems (it turned out that I didn't) and tried to buy new manifolds.

Couldn't find anyone that sells them. (This was about 4 years ago).....The marine parts companies I spoke to said that no one makes them anymore. (I think someone is making manifolds now though)


You could use custom stainless steel jacketed headers (I checked on those too) Big Buck$.


Anyway,


I still want a 261 though! I want to put twin 383/Bravo III's in one!


Let's see pictures!


Cheers,



Rick

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1987 Four Winns Liberator 211, formerly OMC 460 King Kobra powered, replaced in 2006 by a 1997 Mercruiser 454/Bravo III

Name it "Twin Peaks" ...!

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Alec

2006 Horizon 190
VP 4.3GL/SX, Sunsport

I am a Engineer my one boy is a CNC Programmer, Machinist, another, CNC Repair, and the third Aerospace NDI. I will not worry about that piece. I will just make something to replace it. They must have put them in to separate the harmonics between the engine and the outdrive. 460's are not internally balanced from the factory and can be somewhat of a pig in that respect. Maybe I will go ahead and internal balance them as well and help avoid one problem at least.

I could go with "Double Trouble", or, "Get Bent" - but the first one I thought of keeps coming back to me.

"King Cobra" and I've looked at having a big cobra with flames coming off of it going down the side of the boat on both sides. Do it in a wrap.

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1992 Baja 38 Special Twin 502 Mags

03 Stingray 3.0
88 261 Liberator 460 King Cobras
95 Bayliner 1850 3.0
77 Fiber Form 20ft 350/385hp
70 Wescraft 1800 SS 455 Jet

Lead, Follow, or get the Hell out of the Way!

That could be the reason.... I don't think it's for harmonics though. The drive shaft yoke is steel and the coupler (inner) splines are usually aluminum. I presume they're there to dampen the torque pulses. The alignment is critical to The coupler surviving. (mine lasted 20 odd years on my 460 until I sold it on ebay!)

Every sterndrive application has them. OMC/VP/Merc... (some of the old VP's use a flex plate with springs something similar to the ones on a clutch.)

Since you have new engines, if you don't have new manifolds and risers, you might get a set unless you're using stainless steel jacketed manifolds....... A leaking manifold and/or riser will allow water to run back into an open exhaust valve when you shut it down. The next start will be prevented by a hydrolock. If the exhaust valves are hot on shut down they can warp when the cold water hits them.

Mine had leaking riser gaskets. It got to where it hydrolocked every time I started it up if it had been shut down within the last 30 min or so.......If I let it sit for a couple of hours or more it would crank right up.....even though it had fairly good compression, tha water in the cyls would leak past the rings right into the crankcase...

It was one of the reasons I pulled the engine......... the flat camshaft was the other reason. some of the valves were barely opening! It's a wonder it ran at all!! I think the camshaft was never properly "broke-in."

Anyway, it sounds like you're getting it together. That's gonna be a cool Lib!! pics pics pics!

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1987 Four Winns Liberator 211, formerly OMC 460 King Kobra powered, replaced in 2006 by a 1997 Mercruiser 454/Bravo III

We need some more Pics!!! Beautiful boat so far. We drive from TX to Jefferson City MO several time a year and near the Lake of the Ozarks is a Liberator that has been for sale a while. Looks a lot like the one you have. Beautiful boats but I want something new.

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Troy
2008 Centurion Avalanche
1994 Four Winns Horizon 180 SE 5.0L OMC Cobra (Sold)
2002 Ford F150 Harley Davidson Edition (http://www.nhtoc.com) 378 hp & 465 tq at rear wheels
2008 Honda Accord EX-L w/Nav

I'll try to get some pics, but it's all torn apart right now. We have not completely gut it out, but close.
Took out the ice box and buying a fridge in it's place. Stainless and black. As soon as I get the electrical and the cabin done, I'll move to the engines and drives and get them put in. That part will not take me as long as this stuff. lol

I did not want to put the engines in and have in posssible problems coming from the boat. It will be bad enough getting the ignition cut out systems working together.

I've got to get pics of the bar set in hopes of finding one of those glasses though........

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1992 Baja 38 Special Twin 502 Mags

03 Stingray 3.0
88 261 Liberator 460 King Cobras
95 Bayliner 1850 3.0
77 Fiber Form 20ft 350/385hp
70 Wescraft 1800 SS 455 Jet

Lead, Follow, or get the Hell out of the Way!