www.iFourWinns.com

Having a CCW I can relate, I try my absolute hardest to avoid any kind of conflict and talk my way out of it even I was 100% right and the other person is wrong. Even to the point of pretty much running away to avoid it, the 'run away' thing gets easier as you get older and wounds from stupid fights dont heal as quick lol Once a gun comes out you better be 100% sure you are going to shoot because, like you said, the situation escalates 1000% and a drunk 300lb bodybuilder type isnt going to let that 9mm or .38 stop him just pointing it at him.

That being said I always have a handgun in a locked box in the boat, not to resolve no wake or someone yelling 'nice whatever' to my wife conflicts, but out at anchor in a deserted cove I dont feel very secure with a 25 cent plastic latch between me and a crackhead that can swim thinking I have money with me or my wife should be his wife for a while. Some may think its being paranoid, and most boaters around are friendly and just want to party in peace. But every once in a while you see people that are hanging around, not because they are boat enthusiasts, but just looking for an excuse to start something.

I like the flash card thing too... instead, maybe embroider beach towels with these slogans. Hum.

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Walt B
"Debt-Charged"
Black '07 H210SS
6.2L Bravo One turning a 21P HIFive
Wakeboard Tower with Perfect Pass Stargazer version
Missouri River; Kansas City, Mo.

Hey Bliss36 thanks for the response. I understand and respect that we have different laws and cultures with regard to gun ownership. It is probably as difficult for you to understand as it is for me. I can however imagine what the scene would be like if the police were to find someone with a loaded gun in my marina, there would be helicopters, armed TAG teams, TV crews the lot.

Lets hope you never have to use that "thing"

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Beyond the Blue

"If we improve with age I'm now excellent"


Ex 1998 238 Vista 5.0Gi SX DP
Lexus RX300

Exactly! Well said! Most boaters are courteous, friendly, and family oriented, but there are always a few shady characters lurking around that you are unsure of their intentions.


I couldn't agree more!

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2005 268 Vista "Sea Pickle II"
1979 AMF Alcort Puffer
Previous:
2003 FW190 Horizon
1973 Startcraft 18ft "Sea Pickle"

I usually flash my badge and the beer muscles disappear real fast. II ask them where do they want to discuss the issue and dare them to jump behind the wheel of their car/truck. Then I can nail them on two counts (BUI/DUI).

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-Tony
2016 Robalo R200 w/Yahama 200!

Previous boats:
2003 Four Winns 248 Vista - sold
1994 Sunbird Corsair 200 - sold
1980 Checkmate Predictor - sold

Ben,
Aside from video of the offender and substantiated damage caused by them, there is nothing you can do. The term no wake, although seemingly straight forward, is almost too ambiguous to enforce. The talk of vigilantly justice is fun, but not realistic.
Remember, never get in the mud and wrestle with a pig, you just get dirty, and the pig likes it. Put on a few more fenders, and try to look the other way. Don’t let their inconsiderate actions deprive you of your good time. Dan

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You are correct sir! I think that's what makes it so damn frustrating is you can't win in this situation. If you yell at them it makes you look like the jerk, it could only encourage them more or worse they could come back at anytime to vandalize your boat. I'm just going to mention it to the Harbor Master and move on. Thanks for the wise words Dan

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2005 268 Vista "Sea Pickle II"
1979 AMF Alcort Puffer
Previous:
2003 FW190 Horizon
1973 Startcraft 18ft "Sea Pickle"

Thats the problem when you have a slip in a popular marina, its pretty easy to find you so if you start something they know where to come back to. Luckily I'm on a lift and almost all the way inside away from where people go so the wakes dont bother me much. The guys on the houseboats on the ends are the ones that do most of the yelling.

How about a strategically placed rope resting harmlessly on the bottom that's rigged to be pulled up to drive depth when one of these jerks comes through. Secured at both ends with fishing line so it wont do any damage other than fouling their prop and they wont really see who did the pulling to drive depth.

No harm,,,,one foul

Thankfully, we don't have this problem in my marina. Just cars driving too fast down the road beside some slips and we have to yell at them to slow down cuz they kick up tons of dust and it ends up on my boat. I use my Aqua-Zooka on them

John

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07 Azure AZ200,
Previous boat,
95 278 Vista,
And a lot of others.

Ontario, Canada

I was in the Coast Guard for eight years, it's standard procedure to take charge of the weapon, what would you do?

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2007 Horizon 200 SS
5.0 GXi SX drive.

I assume your asking what I would do if the CG boarded my boat and held my gun during the search. I guess I would be polite, courteous, and respectful to them just like I always am. I'm sure once the gun registration and conseal/carry permit cleared there would be no problems.

I view my boat as my second home, although small it has all the amenities of a simple dwelling. I guess even big brother views my boat as a second home since I write it off on my taxes as such. With this being said I feel I have the same rights to protect my family while staying at our "second home" as long as I'm a legal gun owner with proper doc's and in Indiana or reciprical territorys of the conseal/carry permit. This by no means means I'm some gun toting lunatic who gets drunk, howls at the moons, and fires off shots. Like I said earlier it is a rare occasion that the gun even makes it to the boat....only when the wife and I will be in an isolated area! In general I think guns have no place on a boat other than this one circumstance...at least for us.

I want to be very clear that all this gun talk has nothing to do with the title of the post. I side tracked it and that was my fault. It wouldn't even cross my mind to pull a gun on anyone because of wake, whistling at my wife, cutting me off, drinking my last beer, ect. Someone could literaly ram my boat on purpose and I would not pull the gun....thats what police and insurance are for!

qweedqwag- I'm curious what the official CG stance is on a LEGAL gun owner having a firearm on the boat? I called them a while back to ask but the young man who answered the phone was unsure what to tell me, so he directed me to the ATF. Called them and the guy who answered said I would have to try back for two other agents who might know because he wasn't sure. It seems like someone should have given me a clear cut answer...right?

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2005 268 Vista "Sea Pickle II"
1979 AMF Alcort Puffer
Previous:
2003 FW190 Horizon
1973 Startcraft 18ft "Sea Pickle"

I think there are a few people on this thread that are a little too uptight and got their collective panties in a bunch at the mere mention of a gun as a joke. Loosen up a little folks! Before you know it, half of the board will be taken in as Terrorist for what ever constitutional right they stand up for.

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03 Stingray 3.0
88 261 Liberator 460 King Cobras
95 Bayliner 1850 3.0
77 Fiber Form 20ft 350/385hp
70 Wescraft 1800 SS 455 Jet

Lead, Follow, or get the Hell out of the Way!

Personally, if it's not the steroid muscle freak, then it surely would be some other idiot ripping through the "NO WAKE ZONE". These, like other things morons do on the water or the road ways are situations that we just have to deal with. The only thing that can be done here is to take evidence (video footage) along with complaints from other folks directly to the harbor master/owner of the marina, and make it clear that you want this situation to be addressed. This way you now have it on file and if this happens again and causes damage/injury then you have a documented paper trail laid out if you would need to seek legal action against the marina for not correcting this. Im sure if a group of customers banned together and took it to the owner of the marina and expressed your displeasure, they likely will address it, kicking one tenant out would be far more palatable than loosing several tenants that choose to never return again as a result of negligence.

Me personally I would be more concerned about the safety of others in the marina than any damage to the boats. This idiot comes ripping through while someone is in between their boat and the dock doing some sort of maintenance and viola, someone is going to get seriously injured if not killed.....stranger things have happened.

Safety first, IMO.


And Bliss36, myself and most of us here understand what you meant about the mention of a gun. The others need to chill out!! Good luck with the situation.

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MerCruiser 350 MPIC/Bravo I 300hp
"Crooked Wake"


Prior Boat
1999 Bayliner 1950 CL

I wish I could do that. Have had 3 boats now, and could not on any of them.....

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Current Boat: 2004 Chaparral 235 ssi cuddy

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Sorry to hear about that!! What we do is get on the VHF and ask the Harbor Master to introduce him self to that boater. It generally ends there. What some boaters don't realize is, that you are responsible for your own wake. So if your boat is damaged or someone gets hurt, as a result of that wake from the "other" boater . Than that boater can be held responsible & pay for all damages.

I would not do the name calling & yelling thing. Thats what the Harbor Master is for!!