Why you should not use E-15 in your engine.....

Kvou812 · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:29 am

SundayDinner wrote:

OK, so I tried.

Point Number 8, upon which we all can agree, Ric is a giant douchebag.

LOL... that's funny ... this is the most entertaining thread I've seen on here in quite some time! :lol:

ric · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:06 pm

Voting, talking to congress, and now name calling still won't make your engine run on E10/E15.

LouC · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:29 pm

Well I don't like name calling myself and I have tried to make my points and not attack people. Yes we have a disagreement, in a way we are both right, we have to deal with E-10, its not going away, but in truth, the promised benefits, etc, were nothing but smoke and mirrors. We all pay too much in taxes to put up with such lies and manipulation.
Back to boats, my boat has run OK on E-10, but I would appreciate, in the land of the FREE, to have a CHOICE, and not have ONLY E-10 forced on us by a totalitarian yes, totalitarian, as in Communist style EPA, that is NOT American and has to stop.

I know about jetting, fuel mixture, etc. Ric I was tuning carbs before you were a glint in your parent's eyes, specifically in the early 70s. What the feds gave us then, was not E-10. It was carbs set so lean, that the cars would stall out dangerously in the middle of the street. To enforce their rules they mandated plastic caps on the mixture needles, so you could not adjust the mixture. Cars don't run right, dealer can't fix. Great. Put up with stalling , hesitating for a year (factory warrantee), the F'n caps came off, the dwell tach gets hooked up, set it to a nice smooth idle using the time honored lean roll rich roll method. I could not care less, if the EPA didn't like it, I don't like them so we are even. And then my mother could drive the car without us worrying about it stalling out in front of an oncoming truck.

Oh and high tech would be our savior, yes, you would say if only cheap Detroit would use fuel injection like the Germans, everything would be A-OK. Well the quality of American gas was so bad, people had tons of expensive headaches with the early mechanical Bosch injection. So you see you could not win....

Ccmblack · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:12 pm

Rather than risk anything...I prefer just to do without e gas. Here is a web site for you all to find stations that sell non e gas. ( obviously only for those trailering their boats) .

http://pure-gas.org/. ( ps I love the fact that the anti EPA web site has a .org suffix

LouC · **Posted:** Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:54 am

You are lucky, you have a choice, here in southern NY there is NO choice, E10 or nothing....

298VISTA2000 · **Posted:** Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:07 am

ric wrote:

Voting, talking to congress, and now name calling still won't make your engine run on E10/E15.

That is why I don't put that crap in my boat anymore. The year I made the mistake of putting government gas in my boat, it resulted in my having to replace 6 fuel filters, three fuel pumps (two for the boat and one for the gen) and now I think my gen carburetor needs to be replaced due to the corrosive nature of ethanol. More importantly, I only used the boat about 10 hours that year sputtering around the lake.

aguyindallas · **Posted:** Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:44 am

Ric, you keep referring to resetting carbed engines to run on it properly.

1. I am fuel injected, now what?
2. Point still does not address faster corrosion of materials.

3. No more name calling guys.

boater · **Posted:** Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:08 am

Borchick from a previous thread.

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Actually E10 does cause problems for older boats....problems that may not occur for many years if non ethanol fuel was being used. The ethanol is not good for older carb kits, fuel lines and some older gas tanks. Boats produced from 1996 and on should have no problems at all, as per the manufacturers. However, Evinrude has said that the E10 fuel was indeed causing fuel injector problems on their E-tec motors, problems that have since been resolved.

This is what I'm going with until I see some proof otherwise. I have been trying to stay away from e10
but last year that was harder to do. Our boat stays in the water and is used frequently.

http://www.boatingmag.com/engines/certi ... treatments

ric · **Posted:** Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:30 am

E10 does not corrode anything. Fuel injected boats can run e10 perfectly with no issues what so ever. The rule of don't let it sit for months still applies.

298VISTA2000 · **Posted:** Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:15 am

ric wrote:

E10 does not corrode anything. The rule of don't let it sit for months still applies.

And that is the issue with boats. Not everyone is able to run their boats as often as you do ric and when that gov't mandated piss water sits, it causes all kinds of corrosive issues. I mainly hate ethanol because it is mandated by the gov't and doesn't make any sense (as usual). Here we are sitting on one of the earth's largest oil reserves and we are creating an alternative fuel that ultimately costs more and is more harmful to the environment than regular gas. It is often said that the gov't could screw up a two car funeral and ethanol is just another example of this (just wait until they get their hands on your health care).

blue dragon · **Joined:** Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:01 pm **Posts:** 792

Ric, if you are so anti pollution, why not use LPG or CNG? Natural gas is abundant now with the shale finds, its cheap. If change has to happen, why not convert most new autos to use CNG? The entire ethanol thing is scam. Its driven the price of food basics (corn/flour) out of the reach of many people in poorer countries.

Graham R · **Posted:** Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:38 pm

blue dragon wrote:

Ric, if you are so anti pollution, why not use LPG or CNG? Natural gas is abundant now with the shale finds, its cheap. If change has to happen, why not convert most new autos to use CNG? The entire ethanol thing is scam. Its driven the price of food basics (corn/flour) out of the reach of many people in poorer countries.

Hmm, LPG conversions are not so popular here as they used to be; buy a big car, put in an extra fuel tank to use lower priced fuel, but that tank uses up your luggage space; so why have a bigger car ? And of course, when LPG gets very popular because it's cheap, then the governments will tax it to the same rate as petrol.

American oil reserves and UK coal reserves lie unused because our governments know ( or rather hope) that when cheap oil and coal from other countries has gone, he who has oil/ coal is king ( but the emerging and possibly world dominant Chinese Superpower may have other ideas than that !)

ric · **Posted:** Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:27 am

Propane is REALLY expensive in Florida. More expensive then gasoline. Natural Gas is around $2 a gallon but the closest public CNG station is 2hrs away in Tampa. Orlando is very very far behind in technology. No bio-diesel stations but there's a few local electric car hookups finally. We <3 our tourists and their rental cars. There's gas stations here that charge $5-6 dollars a gallon near the tourist traps. They try and try to make price gouging illegal but they can't.

SeriousRob · **Posted:** Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:56 am

Hahahahaha,
Best thread in a long time. Too Funny.
I'll bet the tree huggers hate my Ram 2500 with the big Cummins Diesel.
Although when I towed with my Toyota Sequoia and it's 4.7 liter engine I got 8 mpg.
The Ram gets 15 mpg and the same highway speeds. Of course I removed all the emissions control stuff to get that mileage. So tell me....which is more fuel efficient and cleaner.
Getting 8 mpg on Gas or 15mpg on Diesel.
Waiting for the flames, putting on my asbestos firesuit. :lol:

Borchik · **Posted:** Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:58 am

I am not looking to jump head first into the argument portion of this thread but Alcohol by nature is absolutely corrosive, and it has no lubricating properties whatsoever. That being said the corrosive nature becomes compounded significantly when the fuel absorbs water which E10 starts to do rather quickly, E15 even more so. Not only have I been to multiple classes regarding this and have seen it all first hand but have talked with several fuel companies and distributors about their issues also.

To help prevent these problems dont let fuel sit in the boat for weeks without being used. Always use an additive such as Startron or similar to help prevent water from absorbing into the fuel. I know some older mechanics that swear by Sea-Foam in the fuel though I have never used it. As I said before, for a few years Evinrude recommended using small amounts of oil mixed with the gas....and by small I mean a pint or quart for an entire tank of gas...depending on your tank size. This will in no way foul plugs and gum up carbs if everything is working properly. Make sure you have a water separating fuel filter and check and/or change it often.

Long Island has been dealing with this for years as LouC has said, and I used to live down there and work on a fishing boat as well as went to college down there, they were using it before much of the country, so I got to see some of the effects before many people did. The midwest has now been using E15 for years and I know several mechanics that have told me about all the issues when it first started being used. Now that everyone has replaced all their fuel lines, carbs, pumps, gas tanks, etc to newer stuff that is not so affected by ethanol mixtures they have significantly fewer issues.

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