Interesting... 2013 Bayliners offering diesel

ric · **Posted:** Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:41 pm

bored at work and browsing around I noticed something pretty cool.

Bayliner is now offering the 220hp mercruiser/cummins diesel with B3 in all their 2013 model year cruisers including the new 245.

What's going on with Bayliner? Are they drunk? The MC 220 diesel will cruise around 4gph in the 245 at around 25 mph. WOT consumption is only 13gph.

Freaking awesome!!!

Cap'n Morgan · **Posted:** Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:58 pm

You have been able to order diesel engines on several of Brunswick brands for many years, nothing new. Just not popular here in the states.

ric · **Posted:** Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:02 pm

Cap'n Morgan wrote:

You have been able to order diesel engines on several of Brunswick brands for many years, nothing new. Just not popular here in the states.

I never knew, that's completely bad ass. How is it not popular?? Fuel consumption is nearly cut in half.

Cap'n Morgan · **Posted:** Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:49 pm

Simplified:
Diesel engines are more expensive to make
Diesel engines are heavier
Diesel's cost twice as much to rebuild.
Diesel engines prefer to be run regularly, and do not like extended non use.

ric · **Posted:** Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:14 pm

Cap'n Morgan wrote:

Diesel engines prefer to be run regularly, and do not like extended non use.

So pretty much worthless in the recreational boat market.

kp47 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:04 pm

Wouldnt say useless, very popular in Europe.

Initial cost is high, parts costs are high..

I'd be more excited about the new VP Gen III based V8s, FINALLY someone is catching on:

http://www.volvopenta.com/volvopenta/na ... uage=en-gb

I've made over 1200 reliable crank HP with an OE 6.0 Block/crank/heads, very efficient engine as well. Should turn out to be a great marine engine..

Cap'n Morgan · **Posted:** Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:33 pm

kp47 wrote:

Wouldnt say useless, very popular in Europe.

Initial cost is high, parts costs are high..

I'd be more excited about the new VP Gen III based V8s, FINALLY someone is catching on:

http://www.volvopenta.com/volvopenta/na ... uage=en-gb

I've made over 1200 reliable crank HP with an OE 6.0 Block/crank/heads, very efficient engine as well. Should turn out to be a great marine engine..

Please, don't go there, look what happened on the VP engine topic I posted weeks ago..........
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10264

kp47 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:42 pm

Cap'n Morgan wrote:

kp47 wrote:

Wouldnt say useless, very popular in Europe.

Initial cost is high, parts costs are high..

I'd be more excited about the new VP Gen III based V8s, FINALLY someone is catching on:

http://www.volvopenta.com/volvopenta/na ... uage=en-gb

I've made over 1200 reliable crank HP with an OE 6.0 Block/crank/heads, very efficient engine as well. Should turn out to be a great marine engine..

Please, don't go there, look what happened on the VP engine topic I posted weeks ago..........
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10264

heh, didnt see that thread.

I wont say anything more

RedRocketSS · **Posted:** Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:59 pm

kp47 wrote:

Cap'n Morgan wrote:

kp47 wrote:

Wouldnt say useless, very popular in Europe.

Initial cost is high, parts costs are high..

I'd be more excited about the new VP Gen III based V8s, FINALLY someone is catching on:

http://www.volvopenta.com/volvopenta/na ... uage=en-gb

I've made over 1200 reliable crank HP with an OE 6.0 Block/crank/heads, very efficient engine as well. Should turn out to be a great marine engine..

Please, don't go there, look what happened on the VP engine topic I posted weeks ago..........
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10264

heh, didnt see that thread.

I wont say anything more

298VISTA2000 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:18 pm

Cap'n Morgan wrote:

Please, don't go there, look what happened on the VP engine topic I posted weeks ago..........
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10264

Wow!! Missed that one. You sure know how to start a fight. As for the diesel in a lake boat (which is basically what we are talking about here), I don't care for them at all. There is a big Sea Ray on our dock that has diesel (only one in our club) and the captain has to run her for 15 to 20 minutes prior to leaving the dock. Needless to say, everyone else leaves the dock because of the smelly fumes. Diesels belong on big water and in big boats.

ric · **Posted:** Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:55 pm

I guess it depends on the owner and how they use their boat. Gas engines suffer the same fate as diesels when sitting for ages. Use it weekly and all it will need is oil and water sep. changes for the life of the boat. Same goes for gas engines. Hours don't kill engines, sitting does.

kp47 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:39 pm

298VISTA2000 wrote:

Cap'n Morgan wrote:

Please, don't go there, look what happened on the VP engine topic I posted weeks ago..........
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10264

Wow!! Missed that one. You sure know how to start a fight. As for the diesel in a lake boat (which is basically what we are talking about here), I don't care for them at all. There is a big Sea Ray on our dock that has diesel (only one in our club) and the captain has to run her for 15 to 20 minutes prior to leaving the dock. Needless to say, everyone else leaves the dock because of the smelly fumes. Diesels belong on big water and in big boats.

Diesels are very popular in Europe, even on smaller boats. Fuel is so expensive there that the added cost of the powerplant is made up pretty quick - unlike here where gas is still pretty cheap. At least thats the way it was when gas was 2.00 a gallon here, at 4.00 a gallon 30-40% better fuel mileage might make people think about spending 10 grand more for the diese if they are running a lot of hours on a lake boat. The newer diesels arent as noisy or stinky as the older ones either, they start right up and are ready to go,

Cap'n Morgan · **Posted:** Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:54 am

Something new , just shown for the first time at IBEX this week. Our sales team , who is at IBEX this week, says it is a very nicely done engine.

Quote:

Six-cylinder Steyr diesel engine: The new Steyr SE-series six-cylinder engine, which is being shown for the first time in the U.S., is based on a reinforced monoblock design, which is devised to provide robust and durable operation under the highest load conditions. The system features redesigned intake channels and an upgraded high-pressure multi-fuel injector, resulting in an improvement of up to 30 percent in efficiency. It also includes a new-design thermostat-controlled oil cooler, exhaust manifold and heat exchanger, providing a significant reduction in oil consumption, shorter warm-up period and elimination of white smoke. Steyr Motors GmbH, based in Steyr, Austria, has a long history as an engineering pioneer and leader in diesel technology. Steyr engineers were responsible for the first monoblock engine design introduced in 1922.

chrisvs · **Posted:** Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:19 am

Cap'n, I don't think diesels are any more prone to problems from sitting idle than gasoline engines. Also these days, with the newer higher reving common rail injected diesels, weight isn't all that large a difference either. Just for comparison:

3.0 mercruiser/alpha drive weight: 635 lbs, 135 hp output. Net 4.70 lbs per hp

2.0 QSD CMD Mercruiser/alpha drive weight: 709 lbs, 170 hp output. Net 4.17 lbs per hp

even the 150 hp version of this power unit (longer full throttle rating) has a net of 4.72 lbs per hp. Right in the balpark of the 3.0, with better power, torque and fuel burn.

I think it is purely the cost (payback for increased economy), and the north american stigma against diesel power that kills the sales of these engines over here. I for one wouldn't hesitate to replace my 3.0 for that little 2.0 CMD in my boat (well, until my pocketbook had to open!)

Cap'n Morgan · **Posted:** Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:29 am

Yes, in the small displacement engine category, diesel engine and drive are not much heavier. When you try and replicate a 300 hp diesel equivalent of the gas powered type, then the weight difference is more pronounced.

I tried purposely to over simplify my explanation to ric. Since I am no expert on engines, and did not really want to get into a gas vs. diesel debate. Diesel engines in some pleasure boats under 35 ft. may be a good alternative for some, but it will come at a premium cost on a new boat. And new boats are expensive enough already.

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